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List:       fop-user
Subject:    Re: floats
From:       Michał Jaworski <michalj () beck ! pl>
Date:       2015-06-17 19:28:34
Message-ID: 5581CA62.3030005 () beck ! pl
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Hi,

it is clear that such a feature is out of the spec 1.1. OTF fonts are 
also not included in the spec but are widely used in real world and they 
appeared in FOP.  From my perspective mirror margin numbers are also a 
need, in fact they are used quite often in professional publishing like 
legal documents. Sadly speaking I don't believe that I connived you to 
implement it :( nevertheless I appreciate version 2.0 which is already 
used in our publishing processes.

Thanks,

Michael


W dniu 2015-06-11 o 13:42, Chris Bowditch pisze:
> XSL 1.1 is finalized. There was a draft v2.0 XSL specification written 
> but then the working group shutdown due to lack of interest. Its not 
> up to the FOP community whether something is in or out of the XSL 
> specification. All we can say is that this feature doesn't exist in 
> the current specification.
>
> FOP is an open source project, so if you want this feature you will 
> need to develop an extension to do it, and submit a patch file for the 
> committers to review.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 11/06/2015 09:30, Michał Jaworski wrote:
>> can it be considered as a part of XSL 1.1 spec? You are right that 
>> wrapping is not necessary but still mirror (outer) placement  is an 
>> issue.
>>
>> Michał Jaworski
>>
>>
>> W dniu 2015-06-11 o 08:43, Luis Bernardo pisze:
>>>
>>> That is not really a float in the sense that the text does not need 
>>> to wrap around it. And that in fact makes the implementation of the 
>>> feature a lot simpler.
>>>
>>> On 6/10/15 5:41 PM, Michał Jaworski wrote:
>>>> Example attached, one float always on the outer side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> W dniu 2015-06-10 o 17:19, Luis Bernardo pisze:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show an example? Do you have two floats with text flowing 
>>>>> in between or just one float that is always on the outer side of 
>>>>> the page?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/10/15 4:36 PM, Michał Jaworski wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mirror floats appear always on the outer side of the book page. 
>>>>>> We are using FOP to print truth books :) on the paper. In the 
>>>>>> simplest version floats are equal size and contains growing 
>>>>>> numbers of neighbouring paragraphs. It is used later in citations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of books templates have mirror floats simply and we have to 
>>>>>> handle it somehow. Today we are using Tex in such a cases but 
>>>>>> after very good experiences with FO we want to get rid of Tex and 
>>>>>> use truly xml approach everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately XSL 1.1 spec forgotten about it :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michał Jaworski
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W dniu 2015-06-10 o 16:14, Luis Bernardo pisze:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, and since that does not seem part of the XSL 1.1 spec it is 
>>>>>>> highly unlikely that it will be implemented. What is the purpose 
>>>>>>> of mirror floats? Are the two floats the same (meaning same 
>>>>>>> content) or do they have at least the same exact size?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/10/15 3:54 PM, Michał Jaworski wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tested FOP 2.0 comparing results generated earlier using 
>>>>>>>> version 1.1. The content is an xml book having approx 300 B5 
>>>>>>>> pages with lot of tables and complex structures. Results are 
>>>>>>>> surprisingly positive. Great work!  I want to touch one topic 
>>>>>>>> known for years. Is there any way (or are you planning in an 
>>>>>>>> upcoming future) to achieve somehow mirror floats (on outer 
>>>>>>>> margins of the book) thus something like <fo:float 
>>>>>>>> float="outside">used in xep?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michał Jaworski
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