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Subject: Re: [Flac-dev] Using line spectral pairs for LPC quantization
From: Fernando Alberto Marengo Rodriguez <fmarengorodriguez () yahoo ! com ! ar>
Date: 2011-07-19 21:03:07
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Dear Stefan,
In the paper "Improved Forward-Adaptive Prediction for MPEG-4 Audio Lossless Coding", \
a non-linear compander is applied to the parcor coefficients prior to quantization. \
This compander is designed in order to minimize quantization error, especially for \
magnitudes close to unity.  If you determine the typical distribution of magnitudes \
of the LPC coefficients, you could design a good non-linear compander in order to \
minimize the error due to LPC coefficients quantization. By doing this, the input \
signal would be better estimated and the output residue (which occupies more than 90 \
% of the output bitrate) would be smaller. Regards,

Fernando A. Marengo Rodriguez
Acoustics and Electroacoustics Laboratory
Faculty of Sciences, Engineering and Surveying
National University of Rosario
Rosario, Argentina
http://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/codecdigital/integrantes.html#Fernando

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:48:27 +0200
From: Stefan Westerfeld <stefan@space.twc.de>
Subject: [Flac-dev] Using line spectral pairs for LPC quantization
To: flac-dev@xiph.org
Message-ID: <20110719124826.GB1153@space.twc.de>
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   Hi!

I've recently read the flac sources, and it appears to me that you're quatizing
the LPC coefficients directly. However, this might be not as efficient, because
LPC coefficients are very sensitive to quantization error. I don't know how
much space the LPC coefficients occupy in the resulting FLAC file - if its not
much, it probably doesn't matter.

But if its a significant amount of data, it might be better to convert the LPC
coefficients to LSF/LSP coefficients, and store those quantized. This should
provide the same quality at a lower bit count, if I'm right. Here is a link
that describes LSF/LPC coefficients:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_spectral_pairs

   Cu... Stefan
-- 
Stefan Westerfeld, Hamburg/Germany, http://space.twc.de/~stefan

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<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, \
helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Dear Stefan, In the paper "Improved \
Forward-Adaptive Prediction for MPEG-4 Audio Lossless Coding", a non-linear compander \
is applied to the parcor coefficients prior to quantization. This compander is \
designed in order to minimize quantization error, especially for magnitudes close to \
unity. If you determine the typical distribution of magnitudes of the LPC \
coefficients, you could design a good non-linear compander in order to minimize the \
error due to LPC coefficients quantization. By doing this, the input signal would be \
better estimated and the output residue (which occupies more than 90 % of the output \
bitrate) would be smaller. Regards, Fernando A. Marengo \
Rodriguez Acoustics and Electroacoustics Laboratory Faculty of Sciences, \
Engineering and Surveying National University of Rosario Rosario, \
Argentina http://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/codecdigital/integrantes.html#Fernando Message: \
1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:48:27 +0200 From: Stefan Westerfeld &lt;<a \
href="mailto:stefan@space.twc.de">stefan@space.twc.de</a>&gt; Subject: [Flac-dev] \
Using line spectral pairs for LPC quantization To: <a \
href="mailto:flac-dev@xiph.org">flac-dev@xiph.org</a> Message-ID: &lt;<a \
href="mailto:20110719124826.GB1153@space.twc.de">20110719124826.GB1153@space.twc.de</a>&gt; Content-Type: \
text/plain; charset=us-ascii &nbsp; Hi! I've recently read the flac \
sources, and it appears to me that you're quatizing the LPC coefficients directly. \
However, this might be not as efficient, because LPC coefficients are very \
sensitive to quantization error. I don't know how much space the LPC coefficients \
occupy in the resulting FLAC file - if its not much, it probably doesn't \
matter. But if its a significant amount of data, it might be better to \
convert the LPC coefficients to LSF/LSP coefficients, and store those quantized. \
This should provide the same quality at a lower bit count, if I'm right. Here is a \
link that describes LSF/LPC coefficients: <a \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_spectral_pairs" \
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_spectral_pairs</a> &nbsp; \
Cu... Stefan -- Stefan Westerfeld, Hamburg/Germany, <a \
href="http://space.twc.de/%7Estefan" \
target="_blank">http://space.twc.de/~stefan</a> <div style="font-family: times new \
roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div></body></html>

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