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Subject:    Re: [Fink-users] Openssl fails build on Mac OS X 10.11
From:       Daniel Macks <dmacks () netspace ! org>
Date:       2021-10-04 6:17:36
Message-ID: AD60118B-9A4A-4AA8-820C-C7C07BBAADF3 () netspace ! org
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Is the concern the command-line programs (for example, running "openssl" from a \
Terminal prompt), or the libraries (the API/ABI that other compiled programs use to \
talk to them)? Fink is very strict that it does keep older *libraries* for a very \
long time (even after upstream stops supporting them), specifically because other \
programs might still be using them and might be hard to upgrade/migrate. We have \
separate openssl100-dev/openssl100-shlibs, openssl110-dev/openssl110-shlibs, and now \
openssl300-dev/openssl300-shlibs package sets. It's just the command-line program \
package that has the same name version-to-version.

dan

On 10/3/21, 5:52 PM, "fduncanh" <fduncanh@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think this (below) may mean that openssl11 package of the 1.1.1x 
    series needs to continue for a while (at least for its 2yr lifetime)

    and a new openssl3 package should be created?


    > OPENSSL 3.0
    >
    > Main Changes from OpenSSL 1.1.1
    >
    > Major Release
    >
    > OpenSSL 3.0 is a major release and consequently any application that 
    > currently uses an older version of OpenSSL will at the very least need 
    > to be recompiled in order to work with the new version. It is the 
    > intention that the large majority of applications will work unchanged 
    > with OpenSSL 3.0 if those applications previously worked with OpenSSL 
    > 1.1.1. However this is not guaranteed and some changes may be required 
    > in some cases. Changes may also be required if applications need to 
    > take advantage of some of the new features available in OpenSSL 3.0 
    > such as the availability of the FIPS module.
    >

    https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/man7/migration_guide.html

    -------------
    PS If you are the  OpenSSL packager, please dont let the build script  
    gratituitously just delete the *.a static libraries, (esp. libcrypto.a) 
    after the build without including them in the package.
      Fink and Homebrew leave them in.
    This was needed for (an AirPlay server) for Linux which I got to also  
    build on macOS for which it was cleaner to statically link libcrypto.a  
    (needed to unencrypt Apple's encryption)
    The advice for Fink users was then to temporarily install and uninstall 
    Brew or MacPorts to get it, or build openSSL from source, install, and 
    then uninstall.

    On 10/3/21 1:04 AM, Daniel Macks wrote:
    > Are you saying the command-line tools (those in the "openssl" package) are \
different, or just that the library API/ABI have changed? One reason end-users might \
want to use the new version is because openssl3 changed to the standard Apache v2 \
license (comparable to BSW) whereas the older versions are a weird custom license \
that is not fully inter-operable with GPL and other standard open licenses.  >
    > dan
    >
    > On 10/3/21, 1:00 AM, "Duncan H" wrote:
    >
    >      Openssl3 should be an entirely new package.
    >      It is not a compatible substitute for opensll1.1.1   which should continue
    >      to be offered by fink.for the moment.
    >
    >
    >      On Oct 3, 2021, at 12:52 AM, Duncan H wrote:
    >
    >      Openssl1.1.1x series will be maintained for next two years, why update so \
soon?  >      https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
    >
    >      The next version of OpenSSL will be 3.0.0.Version 1.1.1 will be supported \
until 2023-09-11 (LTS).  >
    >
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