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Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Sitting with Ubuntu for a Workshop
From: "Danishka Navin" <danishka () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-04-19 15:58:46
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Thanks buddy...
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
> Danishka Navin wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Sri Lanka Linux community will be orgnizing workshop for Maldivian
> > students association as per their request.
> > I'm planning to show up the Fedora 9 New features and l10n as well.
> > As most of our members prefer Ubuntu, I don't want to criticizes other
> > bistros, but want to show the true advantages over F9.
> >
> > Date is yet to be fixd, so planning to introduce Fedora Live USB Self
> > Service PC. ;-)
> >
> > Appreciate your points, suggestions and previous experience.
> >
>
> A generic intro:
> ----------------
> You can reuse and modify as necessary the intro presentation from
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
>
> Fedora is fully committed to Free and open source software and staying
> close to upstream as much as possible.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream
>
> Fedora drives a lot of the upstream work shared by other distributions.
>
> Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions
>
> Security is a key focus area
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features
>
> Virtualization is another. Refer to virt-manager, libvirt etc.
>
> A open build system, koji, a unified repository along with livecd-creator,
> pungi and revisors supports custom variants of Fedora that are called Fedora
> spins very easily. Rebranding is supported via the generic-logos package. We
> have a easy way to support persistence and creating a bootable USB key is
> trivial. There are a large number of such spins - desktop (gnome), KDE, Xfce
> live images, Electronics Lab, games and several upcoming ones.
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/transifex is a web service (completely Free
> software) that understands different source code management systems and
> presents a unified easy to use web interface and works towards committing
> changes upstream and then inheriting those changes in Fedora.
>
> Fedora is well known for presenting a great look and feel including a
> fresh new default theme every release.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
>
> Fedora in a continuation of Red Hat Linux released first in November 3
> 1994. It is also the upstream for more than a hundred derivatives including
> significant ones such as OLPC and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions
>
> A common misconception
> ----------------------
>
> This is a common misconception that you might want to clarify upfront:
>
> RPM format ~= DEB format
> RPM tool ~= dpkg
> Yum, apt-rpm, smart ~= apt
>
> RPM is not comparable to apt-get. It is comparable to dpkg. In fact, both
> RPM and Apt-RPM upstreams are maintained by the same Fedora/Red Hat
> developer. We have yum, apt-rpm(synaptic) and smart available in the Fedora
> repository and they all support the same repomd metadata format.
>
> RPM supports many additional things including multi-lib (the ability to
> install both 32-bit and 64-bit libs in parallel), file based dependencies
> (though we don't use it much), triggers (which recently has been in the dpkg
> fork in Ubuntu but not in Debian) and others.
>
> We choose yum over apt-rpm as the default because it was a good
> replacement for up2date using the same language (python), ease of
> development and also because apt-rpm upstream was dead as the time we had to
> chose and didn't support features like multi-lib that was crucial to us. For
> performance improvements, demonstrate the speed in Fedora 9.
>
> ----
>
> Fedora 9 specific
> -----------------
>
> http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/is a \
> pretty good intro. I would also definitely highlight FreeIPA better.
> Closing
> -------
>
> Fedora and Ubuntu share a lot of the same software due to Fedora's free
> software and upstream friendly policy. In particular, Ubuntu has inherited
> system-config-printer, virt-manager, PulseAudio etc from us and we have
> recently inherited Upstart from Ubuntu. We have constantly learn from each
> other and while many of the contributors understand this very well, users
> still need to.
> ----
>
> Hope that helps.
>
yeah, why NOT :D
what quick & good reply
Waiting for more stuff from other Fedora geeks :)
>
> Rahul
>
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>
--
Danishka Navin
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Thanks buddy...<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:08 PM, \
Rahul Sundaram <<a \
href="mailto:sundaram@fedoraproject.org">sundaram@fedoraproject.org</a>> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div \
class="Wj3C7c">Danishka Navin wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Guys,<br>
<br>
Sri Lanka Linux community will be orgnizing workshop for Maldivian students \
association as per their request.<br> I'm planning to show up the Fedora 9 New \
features and l10n as well.<br> As most of our members prefer Ubuntu, I don't want \
to criticizes other bistros, but want to show the true advantages over F9.<br> <br>
Date is yet to be fixd, so planning to introduce Fedora Live USB Self Service PC. \
;-)<br> <br>
Appreciate your points, suggestions and previous experience.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
A generic intro:<br>
----------------<br>
You can reuse and modify as necessary the intro presentation from<br>
<br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations</a><br>
<br>
Fedora is fully committed to Free and open source software and staying close to \
upstream as much as possible.<br> <br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives</a><br> <a \
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing</a><br> <br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream</a><br> \
<br> Fedora drives a lot of the upstream work shared by other distributions.<br>
<br>
Refer <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions</a><br> <br>
Security is a key focus area<br>
<br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features</a><br> <br>
Virtualization is another. Refer to virt-manager, libvirt etc.<br>
<br>
A open build system, koji, a unified repository along with livecd-creator, pungi and \
revisors supports custom variants of Fedora that are called Fedora spins very easily. \
Rebranding is supported via the generic-logos package. We have a easy way to support \
persistence and creating a bootable USB key is trivial. There are a large number of \
such spins - desktop (gnome), KDE, Xfce live images, Electronics Lab, games and \
several upcoming ones.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://fedorahosted.org/transifex" \
target="_blank">https://fedorahosted.org/transifex</a> is a web service (completely \
Free software) that understands different source code management systems and presents \
a unified easy to use web interface and works towards committing changes upstream and \
then inheriting those changes in Fedora.<br>
<br>
Fedora is well known for presenting a great look and feel including a fresh new \
default theme every release.<br> <br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork</a><br> <br>
Fedora in a continuation of Red Hat Linux released first in November 3 1994. It is \
also the upstream for more than a hundred derivatives including significant ones such \
as OLPC and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.<br> <br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions" \
target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions</a><br> <br>
A common misconception<br>
----------------------<br>
<br>
This is a common misconception that you might want to clarify upfront:<br>
<br>
RPM format ~= DEB format<br>
RPM tool ~= dpkg<br>
Yum, apt-rpm, smart ~= apt<br>
<br>
RPM is not comparable to apt-get. It is comparable to dpkg. In fact, both RPM and \
Apt-RPM upstreams are maintained by the same Fedora/Red Hat developer. We have yum, \
apt-rpm(synaptic) and smart available in the Fedora repository and they all support \
the same repomd metadata format.<br>
<br>
RPM supports many additional things including multi-lib (the ability to install both \
32-bit and 64-bit libs in parallel), file based dependencies (though we don't use \
it much), triggers (which recently has been in the dpkg fork in Ubuntu but not in \
Debian) and others.<br>
<br>
We choose yum over apt-rpm as the default because it was a good replacement for \
up2date using the same language (python), ease of development and also because \
apt-rpm upstream was dead as the time we had to chose and didn't support features \
like multi-lib that was crucial to us. For performance improvements, demonstrate the \
speed in Fedora 9.<br>
<br>
----<br>
<br>
Fedora 9 specific<br>
-----------------<br>
<br>
<a href="http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/" \
target="_blank">http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/</a> \
is a pretty good intro. I would also definitely highlight FreeIPA better.<br>
<br>
Closing<br>
-------<br>
<br>
Fedora and Ubuntu share a lot of the same software due to Fedora's free software \
and upstream friendly policy. In particular, Ubuntu has inherited \
system-config-printer, virt-manager, PulseAudio etc from us and we have recently \
inherited Upstart from Ubuntu. We have constantly learn from each other and while \
many of the contributors understand this very well, users still need to.<br>
----<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>yeah, why NOT :D<br>what quick & good reply<br>
Waiting for more stuff from other Fedora geeks :)<br> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> Rahul<br><font color="#888888">
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target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list</a><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Danishka Navin
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