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Subject:    Re: Monitor id detection via HDMI is variable
From:       "George N. White III" <gnwiii () gmail ! com>
Date:       2022-08-25 19:14:46
Message-ID: CAKTOP45AsDJ+zObZbsY-dq6ZQG-ETwwa=LD6oM5LotgyZP4uJg () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:37 AM Barry Scott <barry@barrys-emacs.org> wrote:

>
> I have to support systems without journald and its slower to get to the
> info need.
>

I encounter younger users who will only consider GUI tools.  With
traditional log files
they can use a file browser to find a log file, then try to open the
desired log in some
editor, but get access errors.  Many are working on VM's in their
institution's server
farm and may not be given root privileges, but journalctl read access for
non-root users
can be enabled by adding them to the systemd-journal group.

For GUI-only users  https://github.com/pentix/qjournalctl looks helpful,
but it is a QT5
app.  Emacs has a work-in-progess journalctl-mode <
https://github.com/SebastianMeisel/journalctl-mode>,
but emacs is not popular with the younger set who were trained on MS Word
in school,

-- 
George N. White III

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<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:37 AM Barry Scott \
&lt;<a href="mailto:barry@barrys-emacs.org" \
target="_blank">barry@barrys-emacs.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br><div><div>I \
have to support systems without journald and its slower to get to the info \
need.</div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"></div><div>I encounter \
younger users who will only consider GUI tools.   With traditional log files \
<br></div><div>they can use a file browser to find a log file, then try to open the \
desired log in some <br></div><div>editor, but get access errors.   Many are working \
on VM&#39;s in their institution&#39;s server</div><div>farm and may not be given \
root privileges, <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span \
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">but journalctl read access \
for non-root users <br></span></span></div><div><span \
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span \
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">can be enabled by adding \
them to the systemd-journal group.</span></span></div><div><br></div><div>For \
GUI-only users   <a href="https://github.com/pentix/qjournalctl">https://github.com/pentix/qjournalctl</a> \
looks helpful, but it is a QT5 <br></div><div>app.   Emacs has a work-in-progess \
journalctl-mode &lt;<a \
href="https://github.com/SebastianMeisel/journalctl-mode">https://github.com/SebastianMeisel/journalctl-mode</a>&gt;, \
<br></div><div>but emacs is not popular with the younger set who were trained on MS \
Word in school,</div><br><div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>George N. \
White III<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>


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