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Subject:    Re: OT: Re: "Hacker" vs "Cracker" et al.
From:       Lailah <lailahfsf () gmail ! com>
Date:       2013-03-17 1:50:16
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El vie, 15-03-2013 a las 17:03 -0700, Richard Vickery escribió:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <pocallaghan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>         On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 18:47 -0400, Doug wrote:
>         > On 03/15/2013 06:25 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>         > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:21:07 -0700
>         > > Richard Vickery <richard.vickeryrv@gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >
>         > >> Does this mean that you just let them adulterate the
>         term?
>         > > You would have to re-write current popular culture.
>         > > Language and it's use change, by it's very usage.
>         > >
>         > Language is fickle. Gay used to mean happy-go-lucky;
>         > nuke used to mean to drop an atom bomb on; transistor
>         > still is a three-wire device made (usually) of silicon, used
>         > for amplifiers and switches, but in common usage it means
>         > a radio; nice was once pejorative.  And we used to have
>         > "gotten" and, a little earlier, "shaven" but our verbs are
>         > regularizing themselves whether we like it or not.
>         > So whether you like it or not, hack usually connotes
>         > unlawful intrusion on a computer. Ce la vie!
>         
>         
>         
>         I think you mean "C'est la vie", ...
>         
>         Anyway, I still refer to talented programmers as hackers in a
>         non-perjorative sense because there isn't a good one-word
>         alternative.
>         Geeks doesn't cut it because there are lots of geeks who don't
>         program.
>         
> 
> 
> If the lame ducks don't want to take back the term, that is their
> problem. If you are going to let Bill Gates and the Microshit team
> abuse the term after they abused end-users with a piece-of-crap OS
> that didn't work in '98 and still doesn't work. I refuse to let it be.
> I am a hacker, and if the police come up to me as some kind of
> criminal, I will make sure that they know the difference between
> someone who goes in to make a money transaction at a bank and one with
> the intent to rob a bank and take lives. There is nothing wrong with
> the term hacker; we all do it, and we have been hacking the kernel and
> computers and helping each other with broken networks for 70 years. I
> am not about to change just because some idiot dropped out of law
> school, bought Windows, and decided to give us a bad name, and call us
> all criminals, just because we tried to help him.


Amen!


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El vie, 15-03-2013 a las 17:03 -0700, Richard Vickery escribi&#243;:
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    On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan &lt;<A \
HREF="mailto:pocallaghan@gmail.com">pocallaghan@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote: \
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>
        On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 18:47 -0400, Doug wrote:<BR>
        &gt; On 03/15/2013 06:25 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:<BR>
        &gt; &gt; On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:21:07 -0700<BR>
        &gt; &gt; Richard Vickery &lt;<A \
HREF="mailto:richard.vickeryrv@gmail.com">richard.vickeryrv@gmail.com</A>&gt; \
wrote:<BR>  &gt; &gt;<BR>
        &gt; &gt;&gt; Does this mean that you just let them adulterate the term?<BR>
        &gt; &gt; You would have to re-write current popular culture.<BR>
        &gt; &gt; Language and it's use change, by it's very usage.<BR>
        &gt; &gt;<BR>
        &gt; Language is fickle. Gay used to mean happy-go-lucky;<BR>
        &gt; nuke used to mean to drop an atom bomb on; transistor<BR>
        &gt; still is a three-wire device made (usually) of silicon, used<BR>
        &gt; for amplifiers and switches, but in common usage it means<BR>
        &gt; a radio; nice was once pejorative. &nbsp;And we used to have<BR>
        &gt; &quot;gotten&quot; and, a little earlier, &quot;shaven&quot; but our \
verbs are<BR>  &gt; regularizing themselves whether we like it or not.<BR>
        &gt; So whether you like it or not, hack usually connotes<BR>
        &gt; unlawful intrusion on a computer. Ce la vie!<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
    </BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>
        I think you mean &quot;C'est la vie&quot;, ...<BR>
        <BR>
        Anyway, I still refer to talented programmers as hackers in a<BR>
        non-perjorative sense because there isn't a good one-word alternative.<BR>
        Geeks doesn't cut it because there are lots of geeks who don't program.
    </BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    <BR>
    <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    If the lame ducks don't want to take back the term, that is their problem. If you \
are going to let Bill Gates and the Microshit team abuse the term after they abused \
end-users with a piece-of-crap OS that didn't work in '98 and still doesn't work. I \
refuse to let it be. I am a hacker, and if the police come up to me as some kind of \
criminal, I will make sure that they know the difference between someone who goes in \
to make a money transaction at a bank and one with the intent to rob a bank and take \
lives. There is nothing wrong with the term hacker; we all do it, and we have been \
hacking the kernel and computers and helping each other with broken networks for 70 \
years. I am not about to change just because some idiot dropped out of law school, \
bought Windows, and decided to give us a bad name, and call us all criminals, just \
because we tried to help him.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
Amen!<BR>
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