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Subject: Re: Some thoughts for the future
From: Richard Kelsch <rich () csst ! net>
Date: 2005-06-30 21:18:36
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Stefan Held wrote:
>Am Mittwoch, den 29.06.2005, 14:25 -0700 schrieb Richard Kelsch:
>
>
>>Since Fedora is supposed to be "bleeding-edge," I have thought of a few
>>things that may be cool for the future, not just for Fedora but Linux in
>>general:
>>
>>* How about the ability to install via SRPMS for the specific CPU
>>platform I'm using? In other words, as an advanced install option,
>>allow me to have the installer use the SRPMS instead of the precompiled
>>RPMS, and allow me to define the compiler optimizations for CPU etc.
>>That would be cool. Ok, a slow install, but this isn't a production OS,
>>so why not? I hate having an Athlon-XP running code optimized for a
>>P4. Sure, an install could take days, but it would be an option I'd
>>use. Why? Because I can and it's certainly bleeding-edge.
>>
>>
>Kewl open your editor and start to code.
>
>
Microsoft doesn't tell that to their users, and look at where they are
in the market. Besides, I thought Linux programmers liked to hear new
ideas. Just because I thought of it doesn't mean I need to code it.
Just because one can program, doesn't mean they can have the best
ideas. I think history has shown this. Way back in the 1970s a couple
of friends revolutionized technology by having the balls to think of
each person being able to have their own personal computer. One guy
came up with a lot of ideas and his buddy, being the hardware and coding
genius, implemented those ideas in their garage. I'll give you a hint,
both were named "Steve." Sometimes it takes an outside perspective to
innovate.
>>* How about the ability to clone the configured and working version on
>>my hardrive to be burned on a DVD (dual layer and blue beam makes this
>>possible) for easy portability?
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well, a tip for you: Open your editor and start to code.
>
>
>
A tip for you: There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market
that are just as tastey as the real thing. Something to consider.
>>* Someone needs to make X more display hardware friendly.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hmm, what about starting coding?
>
>
>
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and if you are, then
try another line of work.
>>* Gnome and KDE are nice and such, but even Apple knew how to exploit
>>the display hardware to make a cool interface. So much so that MS is
>>trying to copy and "improve" it for their next release. There's more to
>>a gui now days than skinning. Fedora needs a cooler looking GUI.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well, port the MacOS stuff to linux.
>
>
No, why not make something better instead of copying someone else's work
like MS does?
>>* Better documentation of changes that could result in problems with
>>legacy software, and techniques on how to fix them, instead of the usual
>>"we took [this] out" without further explanation.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Guess what, open your editor and start writing documentation.
>
>
I have a much more intelligent idea. Why don't the people that broke it
write docs on how to fix it, otherwise how is anyone to know how and
write docs on it? I know thinking may hurt for you, but give it a try.
>>Can you immagine a day when the Fedora List has nothing but praise
>>instead of a plethora of problems? One can dream....
>>
>>
>>
>
>Sure, thats when every one who has wishes is sitting at his desk and is
>doing something to get the stuff done.
>
>
Are you saying you're too incompetent? I don't think the Fedora crew is
incompetent. I think, like all human beings, they can make mistakes and
learn from them. There are many different types of Linux users out
there. I don't and never will, consider myself a OS coder. It's better
left to those that get off on those things. The intelligent ones can
look to others for ideas without the ego trip of whining "why don't you
do it yourself?"
All of the major auto makers wouldn't exist today if they just told
people to shut up and build their own car. Henry Ford only got away
with it until he had competition. So next time you hear someone
conplain about their car, you be sure to stand up proudly and tell them
to design and build their own car their way. You can feel like you
accomplished something, confident in knowing you bettered the automotive
industry. I think those in the auto companies want to know what people
want so they can make a better car. What the engineers think is better
doesn't necessarily translate to the user. Remember that and you won't
look luck such and idiot next time someone offers an idea.
Rich
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Stefan Held wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
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<pre wrap="">Am Mittwoch, den 29.06.2005, 14:25 -0700 schrieb Richard Kelsch:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Since Fedora is supposed to be "bleeding-edge," I have thought of a few
things that may be cool for the future, not just for Fedora but Linux in
general:
* How about the ability to install via SRPMS for the specific CPU
platform I'm using? In other words, as an advanced install option,
allow me to have the installer use the SRPMS instead of the precompiled
RPMS, and allow me to define the compiler optimizations for CPU etc.
That would be cool. Ok, a slow install, but this isn't a production OS,
so why not? I hate having an Athlon-XP running code optimized for a
P4. Sure, an install could take days, but it would be an option I'd
use. Why? Because I can and it's certainly bleeding-edge.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Kewl open your editor and start to code.
</pre>
</blockquote>
Microsoft doesn't tell that to their users, and look at where they are
in the market. Besides, I thought Linux programmers liked to hear new
ideas. Just because I thought of it doesn't mean I need to code it.
Just because one can program, doesn't mean they can have the best
ideas. I think history has shown this. Way back in the 1970s a couple
of friends revolutionized technology by having the balls to think of
each person being able to have their own personal computer. One guy
came up with a lot of ideas and his buddy, being the hardware and
coding genius, implemented those ideas in their garage. I'll give you
a hint, both were named "Steve." Sometimes it takes an outside
perspective to innovate.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""></pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">* How about the ability to clone the configured and working version on
my hardrive to be burned on a DVD (dual layer and blue beam makes this
possible) for easy portability?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Well, a tip for you: Open your editor and start to code.
</pre>
</blockquote>
A tip for you: There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market
that are just as tastey as the real thing. Something to consider.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""></pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">* Someone needs to make X more display hardware friendly.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Hmm, what about starting coding?
</pre>
</blockquote>
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and if you are, then
try another line of work.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""></pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">* Gnome and KDE are nice and such, but even Apple knew how to exploit
the display hardware to make a cool interface. So much so that MS is
trying to copy and "improve" it for their next release. There's more to
a gui now days than skinning. Fedora needs a cooler looking GUI.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Well, port the MacOS stuff to linux.
</pre>
</blockquote>
No, why not make something better instead of copying someone else's
work like MS does?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""></pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">* Better documentation of changes that could result in problems with
legacy software, and techniques on how to fix them, instead of the usual
"we took [this] out" without further explanation.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Guess what, open your editor and start writing documentation.
</pre>
</blockquote>
I have a much more intelligent idea. Why don't the people that broke
it write docs on how to fix it, otherwise how is anyone to know how and
write docs on it? I know thinking may hurt for you, but give it a try.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid1120137688.4269.14.camel@lt-sh.intern.pcservice.de"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""></pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Can you immagine a day when the Fedora List has nothing but praise
instead of a plethora of problems? One can dream....
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Sure, thats when every one who has wishes is sitting at his desk and is
doing something to get the stuff done.
</pre>
</blockquote>
Are you saying you're too incompetent? I don't think the Fedora crew
is incompetent. I think, like all human beings, they can make mistakes
and learn from them. There are many different types of Linux users out
there. I don't and never will, consider myself a OS coder. It's
better left to those that get off on those things. The intelligent
ones can look to others for ideas without the ego trip of whining "why
don't you do it yourself?"<br>
<br>
All of the major auto makers wouldn't exist today if they just told
people to shut up and build their own car. Henry Ford only got away
with it until he had competition. So next time you hear someone
conplain about their car, you be sure to stand up proudly and tell them
to design and build their own car their way. You can feel like you
accomplished something, confident in knowing you bettered the
automotive industry. I think those in the auto companies want to know
what people want so they can make a better car. What the engineers
think is better doesn't necessarily translate to the user. Remember
that and you won't look luck such and idiot next time someone offers an
idea.<br>
<br>
Rich<br>
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