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Subject:    Re: Lowering the participation barrier for Fedora Docs
From:       Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenstein () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2013-11-18 21:39:34
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I would consider LibreOffice. We could have a master document and pre-assign the \
chapters. With markup and ability to work offline while commuting, it or a similar \
product would be beneficial for smaller docs or even for collaboration. 

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would consider LibreOffice. We could have a master document and pre-assign the \
chapters. With markup and ability to work offline while commuting, it or a similar \
product would be beneficial for smaller docs or even for collaboration. </p> <p \
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                            Re: Lowering the participation barrier for Fedora Docs    \
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class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Eric \
H. Christensen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" \
ymailto="mailto:sparks@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank" \
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0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I guess so many of us just use \
the CLI to create our works that we don&#39;t think about GUI programs.  I \
couldn&#39;t tell you a single GUI program that would be good for creating/editing \
DocBook (gedit?) because I just don&#39;t use them.  I&#39;d welcome other \
people&#39;s experience with GUI tools so we can start recommending these to people.  \
Same goes for Git.  It really isn&#39;t that difficult to use these tools once you \
understand what&#39;s happening and why.  Like I mentioned earlier, I think training \
is key here and something we&#39;re missing.  Last week I started working on training \
videos that I&#39;ll continue to refine (I&#39;m still sick so my voice isn&#39;t \
great right now).  As soon as they are ready I&#39;ll start kicking them out the door \
and hope to get feedback.<br clear="none">

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clear="none"></div><div>I think the issue is the learning curve. From my experience \
people want to join the Docs team because they see it as an easy way to contribute \
back to Fedora. Not everyone has a technical background and teaching people to use \
the tools of the trade over IRC is not always easy. A good set of tutorials would \
definitely be helpful, but I don&#39;t think we can assume that everyone that wants \
to help has the technical background to just jump in to emacs/VIM, docbook XML, and \
git. The training at FUDCon was a great idea, but that obviously will not scale. \
Mentorship is also good, but can still make someone fell like they are teaching \
themselves and someone is simply checking in on them. We need a way to teach people \
to use the tools in a way that is easy to understand and scalable. </div> <div> \
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</div>There is definite overlap in some of the guides (installation, admin, and \
security to name a few).  We should probably reduce that overlap and make sure the \
expectation is to find a certain piece of information in a certain guide.  Getting an \
internal search engine going is also needed.<br clear="none">

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There are lots things that need to be done, really.  I suspect that it would be quite \
a lift to get us back to where we need to be.  That said, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s \
out of the question.  Would people be interested in meeting for a FAD to get some \
stuff done?<br clear="none"> </blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I think \
that is a good idea, we need to prioritize the work that needs done and figure out \
the best course of action so that content gets into the hands of people who need it. \
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- -- Eric<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div \
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