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Subject: Re: F42 Change Proposal: Fedora Plasma Workstation (System-Wide)
From: Steve Cossette <farchord () gmail ! com>
Date: 2024-04-04 12:40:42
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With that being said though, I would rather this discussion not to devolve
into a "Which DE is better".
I've said that in the past, but each Desktop Environment has their merits,
and discussing "Which is better" is as fruitless as "Mac vs PC" or "Android
vs iOS" fights.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 8:34 AM Steve Cossette <farchord@gmail.com> wrote:
> Problem with extensions is, while they are *technically* supported by
> gnome, they can break with any update (It has happened to me in the past).
> Heck, it kinda reminds me of hacks people use to get around the junk people
> put in Windows 10/11...
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 8:09 AM Leslie Satenstein via devel <
> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> There is, if you add 1 extension, a category menu. That is the menu that
>> is similar to other desktop interfaces such as Budgie, XFCE, and other.
>>
>>
>> Leslie Satenstein
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 08:03:13 a.m. EDT, Stephen Smoogen <
>> ssmoogen@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 at 04:38, Vít Ondruch <vondruch@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe you should give it second try.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I am going to say is not meant to be a bash in any way.
>>
>> I am on my 10th try for GNOME3/40. For everything they move to somewhere
>> my brain says is intuitive, there always seems to be something else
>> moved which I have to relearn or fight past patterns for. Just like code
>> refactoring, I realize all the movements and changes are for good reasons
>> versus just 'moving for movement sake'. My brain just rebels against it in
>> an almost painful way.
>>
>> Again this isn't a rag on GNOME. I find that I can adapt only so much to
>> desktop changes and prefer something which stays the same while I focus on
>> my work. Other people find such changes easy and others find the lack of
>> changes I want to be painful for their brains. I understand where GNOME is
>> going and I agree that it is a purpose they should shoot for 100%. It just
>> isn't easy for me to stay on the bus.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
>> Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle.
>> -- Ian MacClaren
>>
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<div dir="ltr">With that being said though, I would rather this discussion not to \
devolve into a "Which DE is better". <div><br></div><div>I've said \
that in the past, but each Desktop Environment has their merits, and discussing \
"Which is better" is as fruitless as "Mac vs PC" or "Android \
vs iOS" fights.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 8:34 AM Steve Cossette <<a \
href="mailto:farchord@gmail.com">farchord@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Problem \
with extensions is, while they are <i>technically</i> supported by gnome, they can \
break with any update (It has happened to me in the past). Heck, it kinda reminds me \
of hacks people use to get around the junk people put in Windows \
10/11...</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, \
Apr 4, 2024 at 8:09 AM Leslie Satenstein via devel <<a \
href="mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org" \
target="_blank">devel@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr">There is, \
if you add 1 extension, a category menu. That is the menu that is similar to other \
desktop interfaces such as Budgie, XFCE, and other.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div \
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div \
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Leslie Satenstein \
</div><br></div></div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>
</div><div id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yahoo_quoted_3141342504">
<div style="font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 08:03:13 a.m. EDT, Stephen \
Smoogen <<a href="mailto:ssmoogen@redhat.com" \
target="_blank">ssmoogen@redhat.com</a>> wrote: </div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yiv8179595708"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div><div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yiv8179595708yqtfd51017"><div \
dir="ltr">On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 at 04:38, Vít Ondruch <<a shape="rect" \
href="mailto:vondruch@redhat.com" rel="nofollow" \
target="_blank">vondruch@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br \
clear="none"></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yiv8179595708yqtfd41829"><br \
clear="none"><br clear="none"> Maybe you should give it second try.</div><br \
clear="none"> <br clear="none"></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>What I \
am going to say is not meant to be a bash in any way. </div><div><br \
clear="none"></div><div>I am on my 10th try for GNOME3/40. For everything they move \
to somewhere my brain says is intuitive, there always seems to be something else \
moved which I have to relearn or fight past patterns for. Just like code \
refactoring, I realize all the movements and changes are for good reasons versus \
just 'moving for movement sake'. My brain just rebels against it in an almost \
painful way. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Again this isn't a rag on \
GNOME. I find that I can adapt only so much to desktop changes and prefer something \
which stays the same while I focus on my work. Other people find such changes easy \
and others find the lack of changes I want to be painful for their brains. I \
understand where GNOME is going and I agree that it is a purpose they should shoot \
for 100%. It just isn't easy for me to stay on the bus.</div></div><br \
clear="all"><div><br clear="none"></div><span>-- </span><br clear="none"><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div></div>Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive<br \
clear="none"></div>Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard \
battle. -- Ian MacClaren<div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yiv8179595708yqtfd44423"><br \
clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yiv8179595708yqtfd90930"> \
</div></div></div><div \
id="m_-5954903048267448420m_-1008432457973679462ydpc1023846yqtfd04313">-- <br \
clear="none"></div></div> </div>
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