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Subject: Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release
From: Stephen John Smoogen <smooge () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-03-22 18:16:08
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:04, Gordon Messmer <gordon.messmer@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 3/22/21 6:56 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >
> >
> > My main problem is that for a good portion of the 1990's the GNU
> > operating system was HURD and any and all work on Linux was seen as a
> > major distraction and removal of resources from the more important
> > operating system. In the early 1990's, I don't remember the GNU
> > hackers at the AI lab calling their systems GNU/Solaris or GNU/Ultrix
> > or GNU/BSD when they had replaced various parts with GNU utilities.
>
>
> That's partially true, they didn't (as far as I know). But I think they
> viewed that situation -- using a kernel other than their own -- as
> temporary. As far as I know, they referred to their OS as GNU
> consistently, and only started using the variant name GNU/Linux when it
> became clear that the arrangement of having a GNU OS with a kernel other
> than their own was a long-term arrangement. That all seems very
> logical, to me.
>
>
> > People were told that working on Linux was a distraction and should be
> > a non-goal instead of working on HURD...
>
>
> As a rationale, your explanation as a whole seems retaliatory, to me.
> "The GNU project encouraged its volunteers to work on HURD instead of
> Linux, so we'll not speak their name because this makes us unhappy."
>
>
No that is not what I meant. However it is clear that this isn't helping
any.. so consider me <plonking> myself from this thread.
> That doesn't seem like the kind of respectful, friendly environment that
> Fedora explicitly is trying to foster. And that's why I think the name
> "Fedora", by itself, is better. That name is neutral to the topic of
> whether Linux or GNU/Linux is the OS that Fedora extends, rather than a
> statement about our feelings toward the GNU project.
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Stephen J Smoogen.
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:04, Gordon Messmer <<a \
href="mailto:gordon.messmer@gmail.com">gordon.messmer@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 3/22/21 6:56 AM, \
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:<br> ><br>
><br>
> My main problem is that for a good portion of the 1990's the GNU <br>
> operating system was HURD and any and all work on Linux was seen as a <br>
> major distraction and removal of resources from the more important <br>
> operating system. In the early 1990's, I don't remember the GNU <br>
> hackers at the AI lab calling their systems GNU/Solaris or GNU/Ultrix <br>
> or GNU/BSD when they had replaced various parts with GNU utilities.<br>
<br>
<br>
That's partially true, they didn't (as far as I know). But I think they \
<br> viewed that situation -- using a kernel other than their own -- as <br>
temporary. As far as I know, they referred to their OS as GNU <br>
consistently, and only started using the variant name GNU/Linux when it <br>
became clear that the arrangement of having a GNU OS with a kernel other <br>
than their own was a long-term arrangement. That all seems very <br>
logical, to me.<br>
<br>
<br>
> People were told that working on Linux was a distraction and should be <br>
> a non-goal instead of working on HURD...<br>
<br>
<br>
As a rationale, your explanation as a whole seems retaliatory, to me. <br>
"The GNU project encouraged its volunteers to work on HURD instead of <br>
Linux, so we'll not speak their name because this makes us unhappy."<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No that is not what I meant. However it is clear \
that this isn't helping any.. so consider me <plonking> myself from this \
thread.<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> That doesn't seem like the kind of \
respectful, friendly environment that <br> Fedora explicitly is trying to foster. \
And that's why I think the name <br> "Fedora", by itself, is better. \
That name is neutral to the topic of <br> whether Linux or GNU/Linux is the OS that \
Fedora extends, rather than a <br> statement about our feelings toward the GNU \
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Stephen J Smoogen.<br><br></div></div></div>
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