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Subject: Re: F35 Change: "Fedora Linux" in /etc/os-release
From: drago01 <drago01 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-03-09 17:19:17
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On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Ben Cotton <bcotton@redhat.com> wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release
>
> == Summary ==
>
> "Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose Linux
> distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the OS itself.
>
> == Owner ==
>
>
> * Name: [[User:mattdm| Matthew Miller]]
>
> * Email: mattdm At fedoraproject.org (bugzilla: mattdm AT redhat.com)
>
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
>
> This change isn't big — it is simply expanding
>
> * <tt>NAME=Fedora</tt> to <tt>NAME="Fedora Linux"</tt> and
> * <tt>PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] ([edition or spin])</tt>
>
> in the file <tt>/etc/os-release</tt>.
>
> The short identifier <tt>ID=fedora</tt> will remain the same, so scripted
> interactions should be unaffected.
>
>
> == Feedback ==
> Community Blog article posted: https://communityblog.
> fedoraproject.org/fedora-is-a-community-fedora-linux-is-our-os/
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
> The distinction between our project and our output is important, because
> as a project and a community we are more than the bits we produce — and, we
> produce more things (including software bits!) from that included in the
> Fedora Linux distribution.
>
> We make EPEL, ELN, and thousands of packages in Copr. These are all part
> of Fedora — but aren't Fedora Linux. We also make artwork, music,
> documentation, videos, websites, tools, and more. These things too are part
> of our project, but aren't part of the Fedora Linux distribution. The habit
> of calling just one thing we make "Fedora" makes it hard to talk about the
> project and all of the things we do within our [
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_our_mission mission].
>
> Of course, years of colloquial usage can't be changed overnight, but
> changing the place where we officially identify the operating system name
> is an important start. Rather than a big education campaign, let's fix our
> own usage and go from there.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners: Will submit a PR for the <tt>fedora-release</tt>
> package.
>
> * Other developers: Should be no impact, but may need to update any
> scripts using <TT>NAME</TT> instead of <TT>ID</TT>.
>
> * Release engineering: To review and accept the PR when ready.
>
> * Policies and guidelines: This change itself does not represent a change
> to policies, but it's good to consider where usage can be changed in
> existing documents.
>
> * Trademark approval: Not required. Note that this has been cleared by
> Fedora Legal.
>
> * Alignment with Objectives: No specific objective but aligns with a
> Council goal.
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
>
> Updated systems will get the new <tt>/etc/os-release</tt> file and will
> see changes in the text-mode login prompt and in places like "OS Name" in
> the About panel in GNOME.
>
>
> == How To Test ==
>
> 1. Update to test version of Fedora 35
>
> 2. Observe name change in <tt>/etc/os-release</tt>
>
> 3. Optionally, observe name change in GNOME Settings, text-mode login
> screens, neofetch, etc.
>
> It would also be useful to test any third-party software which may
> mistakenly look at <tt>NAME</tt> instead of <tt>ID</tt>.
>
> == User Experience ==
>
> Users will see the distribution referred to as "Fedora Linux" rather than
> just "Fedora".
>
> == Dependencies ==
>
> None.
>
>
> == Contingency Plan ==
> * Contingency mechanism: Change owner or release engineering will revert
> the change to <tt>fedora-release</tt>
> * Contingency deadline: Decision should be made at beta, but in the
> unlikely event of disaster this could be reverted right up until the last
> minute.
> * Blocks release? No.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Fedora is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora" refers to
> the Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please use either a
> specific name like <i>Fedora Workstation</i>, <i>Fedora CoreOS</i>, or
> <i>Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop</i>; or use <i>Fedora Linux</i> to refer to
> the OS distribution as a whole.
>
> == Release Notes ==
> Note: Fedora is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora"
> refers to the Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please use either
> a specific name like <i>Fedora Workstation</i>, <i>Fedora CoreOS</i>, or
> <i>Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop</i>; or use <i>Fedora Linux</i> to refer to
> the OS distribution as a whole.
>
>
>
This doesn't seem to solve any real world problem, there is nothing wrong
with just leaving it as is.
> --
> Ben Cotton
> He / Him / His
> Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream
> Red Hat
> TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
>
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<br><br>On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Ben Cotton <<a \
href="mailto:bcotton@redhat.com">bcotton@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><a \
href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release" \
target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/<wbr>wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_<wbr>os-release</a><br><br>== \
Summary ==<br><br>"Fedora" is the name of our project. Our general-purpose \
Linux distribution is "Fedora Linux". Let's refer to it that way in the \
OS itself.<br><br>== Owner ==<br><br><br>* Name: [[User:mattdm| Matthew \
Miller]]<br><br>* Email: mattdm At <a href="http://fedoraproject.org" \
target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a> (bugzilla: mattdm AT <a \
href="http://redhat.com" target="_blank">redhat.com</a>)<br><br><br>== Detailed \
Description ==<br><br><br>This change isn't big — it is simply expanding \
<br><br>* <tt>NAME=Fedora</tt> to <tt>NAME="Fedora \
Linux"</tt> and<br>* <tt>PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux [##] \
([edition or spin])</tt><br><br>in the file \
<tt>/etc/os-release</tt>.<br><br>The short identifier \
<tt>ID=fedora</tt> will remain the same, so scripted interactions should \
be unaffected.<br><br><br>== Feedback ==<br>Community Blog article posted: <a \
href="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-is-a-community-fedora-linux-is-our-os/" \
target="_blank">https://communityblog.<wbr>fedoraproject.org/fedora-is-a-<wbr>community-fedora-linux-is-our-<wbr>os/</a></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br>== Benefit to Fedora ==<br><br>The distinction between our project and \
our output is important, because as a project and a community we are more than the \
bits we produce — and, we produce more things (including software bits!) from that \
included in the Fedora Linux distribution.<br><br>We make EPEL, ELN, and thousands of \
packages in Copr. These are all part of Fedora — but aren't Fedora Linux. We \
also make artwork, music, documentation, videos, websites, tools, and more. These \
things too are part of our project, but aren't part of the Fedora Linux \
distribution. The habit of calling just one thing we make "Fedora" makes it \
hard to talk about the project and all of the things we do within our [<a \
href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_our_mission" \
target="_blank">https://docs.fedoraproject.<wbr>org/en-US/project/#_our_<wbr>mission</a> \
mission].<br><br>Of course, years of colloquial usage can't be changed overnight, \
but changing the place where we officially identify the operating system name is an \
important start. Rather than a big education campaign, let's fix our own usage \
and go from there.<br><br>== Scope ==<br>* Proposal owners: Will submit a PR for the \
<tt>fedora-release</tt> package.<br><br>* Other developers: Should be no \
impact, but may need to update any scripts using <TT>NAME</TT> instead of \
<TT>ID</TT>.<br><br>* Release engineering: To review and accept the PR \
when ready.<br><br>* Policies and guidelines: This change itself does not represent a \
change to policies, but it's good to consider where usage can be changed in \
existing documents.<br><br>* Trademark approval: Not required. Note that this has \
been cleared by Fedora Legal.<br><br>* Alignment with Objectives: No specific \
objective but aligns with a Council goal.<br><br>== Upgrade/compatibility impact \
==<br><br>Updated systems will get the new <tt>/etc/os-release</tt> file \
and will see changes in the text-mode login prompt and in places like "OS \
Name" in the About panel in GNOME.<br><br><br>== How To Test ==<br><br>1. Update \
to test version of Fedora 35<br><br>2. Observe name change in \
<tt>/etc/os-release</tt><br><br>3. Optionally, observe name change in \
GNOME Settings, text-mode login screens, neofetch, etc.<br><br>It would also be \
useful to test any third-party software which may mistakenly look at \
<tt>NAME</tt> instead of <tt>ID</tt>.<br><br>== User \
Experience ==<br><br>Users will see the distribution referred to as "Fedora \
Linux" rather than just "Fedora".<br><br>== Dependencies \
==<br><br>None.<br><br><br>== Contingency Plan ==<br>* Contingency mechanism: Change \
owner or release engineering will revert the change to \
<tt>fedora-release</tt><br>* Contingency deadline: Decision should be \
made at beta, but in the unlikely event of disaster this could be reverted right up \
until the last minute.<br>* Blocks release? No.<br><br>== Documentation ==<br>Fedora \
is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora" refers to the \
Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please use either a specific name like \
<i>Fedora Workstation</i>, <i>Fedora CoreOS</i>, or \
<i>Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop</i>; or use <i>Fedora Linux</i> \
to refer to the OS distribution as a whole.<br><br>== Release Notes ==<br>Note: \
Fedora is made of people! When used by itself, the term "Fedora" refers to \
the Fedora Project. When referring to our work, please use either a specific name \
like <i>Fedora Workstation</i>, <i>Fedora CoreOS</i>, or \
<i>Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop</i>; or use <i>Fedora Linux</i> \
to refer to the OS distribution as a \
whole.<br><br><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This \
doesn't seem to solve any real world problem, there is nothing wrong with just \
leaving it as is.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 \
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">-- <br><div dir="ltr">Ben Cotton<br>He / Him / His<br>Senior \
Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream<br>Red \
Hat<br>TZ=America/Indiana/<wbr>Indianapolis</div></div></div></div> </blockquote>
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