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Subject: Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)
From: Silvia_Sánchez <bhkohane () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-09-10 15:25:59
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Ondrej,
You need to install Kwin Wayland and another package that will provide the
backend.
My experience wasn't the best, several apps crashed, effects stuttered or
were very slow, even typing felt slower. But at least my desktop looked
normal.
One comment: the logging out issue is not because of Wayland. I have the
same with Xorg, and there are several bug reports pointing to the same
issue.
Kind regards,
Lailah
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:24, Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton@redhat.com> wrote:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma
> >
> > == Summary ==
> > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the
> > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one.
> >
> > == Owner ==
> > * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]],
> > [[User:Jgrulich|Jan Grulich]]
> > * Email: ngompa13@gmail.com, rdieter@gmail.com, jgrulich@redhat.com
> > * Product: KDE Spin
> > * Responsible WG: KDE SIG
> >
> >
> > == Detailed Description ==
> >
> > With KDE Plasma 5.20, the KDE Plasma desktop environment has reached a
> > point where nearly all commonly used features in the desktop and all
> > major applications function in the Plasma Wayland environment on all
> > major GPUs (including NVIDIA with the proprietary driver). Starting
> > with Plasma 5.20 in Fedora 34, we will change the default
> > configuration for Wayland and X11 Plasma sessions so that Wayland is
> > preferred and used by default, while permitting the X11 session to be
> > selected as the alternative desktop environment option.
> >
> > == Feedback ==
> >
> > ==== Is Wayland ready? ====
> > Wayland has been used by default for Fedora Workstation (which uses
> > GNOME) since Fedora 25. And while it was somewhat immature initially,
> > today it is a very rock-solid experience on virtually everything
> > Fedora Workstation runs on. The change in Fedora 25 kickstarted the
> > drive to get everything working on Wayland, and the Workstation team
> > succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Firefox has been Wayland-native
> > by default since Fedora 31 as well.
> >
> > On the KDE side, serious work into supporting Wayland started shortly
> > after GNOME switched to Wayland by default. Unlike GNOME, KDE has a
> > much broader stack in its toolkit, and it has taken longer to get to a
> > usable state. With the Plasma 5.20 release, the Wayland protocol for
> > screencasting as well as middle-click paste finally are supported,
> > completing the required feature set for switching to Wayland by
> > default.
>
> So yesterday I tried to log in to the KDE Plasma + Wayland session on
> my laptop (F32) and the experience was unfortunately quite horrible...
>
> 1. When I logged out of the X session, switched to Wayland on the
> login screen, and logged in, I only got a black screen. After I
> rebooted, I managed to login to the Wayland session (I have automatic
> login after boot enabled), but...
> 2. The desktop was all squeezed into a small 1024x786 rectangle in the
> upper left corner of the screen (my screen is 1920x1080). So I opened
> system settings to change the resolution, but...
> 3. The screen settings were showing "manufacturer_TODO" and
> "model_TODO" as the name of the screen and the only resolution offered
> was 1024x786.
> 4. The window layout of my KDE session was not preserved (I think even
> the distribution of windows to activities was lost). But I probably
> shouldn't expect this to work...
> 5. Logging out of the Wayland session gave me just a black screen with
> blinking cursor, no login screen.
>
> Reading the other posts in this thread it seems I'm the only one
> experiencing such serious breakage (maybe except 4., which is
> understandable), so I'm wondering if I did something wrong... I simply
> installed plasma-workspace-wayland, logged out, and then logged in
> selecting "Plasma (Wayland) (Wayland)" from the session dropdown.
>
> --
> Ondrej Mosnacek
> Software Engineer, Platform Security - SELinux kernel
> Red Hat, Inc.
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<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Ondrej,</div><br><div>You need to install Kwin \
Wayland and another package that will provide the backend.</div><div>My experience \
wasn't the best, several apps crashed, effects stuttered or were very slow, even \
typing felt slower. But at least my desktop looked normal. </div><div>One comment: \
the logging out issue is not because of Wayland. I have the same with Xorg, and \
there are several bug reports pointing to the same issue. \
</div><div><br></div><div>Kind \
regards,</div><div>Lailah</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:24, \
Ondrej Mosnacek <<a href="mailto:omosnace@redhat.com">omosnace@redhat.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at \
5:30 PM Ben Cotton <<a href="mailto:bcotton@redhat.com" \
target="_blank">bcotton@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <a \
href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma</a><br>
><br>
> == Summary ==<br>
> Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the<br>
> Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one.<br>
><br>
> == Owner ==<br>
> * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]],<br>
> [[User:Jgrulich|Jan Grulich]]<br>
> * Email: <a href="mailto:ngompa13@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ngompa13@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:rdieter@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">rdieter@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:jgrulich@redhat.com" \
target="_blank">jgrulich@redhat.com</a><br> > * Product: KDE Spin<br>
> * Responsible WG: KDE SIG<br>
><br>
><br>
> == Detailed Description ==<br>
><br>
> With KDE Plasma 5.20, the KDE Plasma desktop environment has reached a<br>
> point where nearly all commonly used features in the desktop and all<br>
> major applications function in the Plasma Wayland environment on all<br>
> major GPUs (including NVIDIA with the proprietary driver). Starting<br>
> with Plasma 5.20 in Fedora 34, we will change the default<br>
> configuration for Wayland and X11 Plasma sessions so that Wayland is<br>
> preferred and used by default, while permitting the X11 session to be<br>
> selected as the alternative desktop environment option.<br>
><br>
> == Feedback ==<br>
><br>
> ==== Is Wayland ready? ====<br>
> Wayland has been used by default for Fedora Workstation (which uses<br>
> GNOME) since Fedora 25. And while it was somewhat immature initially,<br>
> today it is a very rock-solid experience on virtually everything<br>
> Fedora Workstation runs on. The change in Fedora 25 kickstarted the<br>
> drive to get everything working on Wayland, and the Workstation team<br>
> succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Firefox has been Wayland-native<br>
> by default since Fedora 31 as well.<br>
><br>
> On the KDE side, serious work into supporting Wayland started shortly<br>
> after GNOME switched to Wayland by default. Unlike GNOME, KDE has a<br>
> much broader stack in its toolkit, and it has taken longer to get to a<br>
> usable state. With the Plasma 5.20 release, the Wayland protocol for<br>
> screencasting as well as middle-click paste finally are supported,<br>
> completing the required feature set for switching to Wayland by<br>
> default.<br>
<br>
So yesterday I tried to log in to the KDE Plasma + Wayland session on<br>
my laptop (F32) and the experience was unfortunately quite horrible...<br>
<br>
1. When I logged out of the X session, switched to Wayland on the<br>
login screen, and logged in, I only got a black screen. After I<br>
rebooted, I managed to login to the Wayland session (I have automatic<br>
login after boot enabled), but...<br>
2. The desktop was all squeezed into a small 1024x786 rectangle in the<br>
upper left corner of the screen (my screen is 1920x1080). So I opened<br>
system settings to change the resolution, but...<br>
3. The screen settings were showing "manufacturer_TODO" and<br>
"model_TODO" as the name of the screen and the only resolution offered<br>
was 1024x786.<br>
4. The window layout of my KDE session was not preserved (I think even<br>
the distribution of windows to activities was lost). But I probably<br>
shouldn't expect this to work...<br>
5. Logging out of the Wayland session gave me just a black screen with<br>
blinking cursor, no login screen.<br>
<br>
Reading the other posts in this thread it seems I'm the only one<br>
experiencing such serious breakage (maybe except 4., which is<br>
understandable), so I'm wondering if I did something wrong... I simply<br>
installed plasma-workspace-wayland, logged out, and then logged in<br>
selecting "Plasma (Wayland) (Wayland)" from the session dropdown.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Ondrej Mosnacek<br>
Software Engineer, Platform Security - SELinux kernel<br>
Red Hat, Inc.<br>
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