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Subject:    Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot
From:       Adam Williamson <adamwill () fedoraproject ! org>
Date:       2019-10-16 16:10:41
Message-ID: eeab541dbec8f44d3acb807eb758c17d2f896184.camel () fedoraproject ! org
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On Tue, 2019-10-15 at 12:25 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> 
> > So: I'm on board with most of what you say here, but there's no need to
> > say it means Modularity is "a failure". It means right now it's not
> > entirely baked and we're realizing the concept needs extending and
> > perhaps reworking a bit, just like we realized with the *first* cut at
> > Modularity which we abandoned between a Beta release and a Final
> > release. This is causing us to have to deal with some icky problems,
> > but again, that's not *new*. We had to deal with some fairly icky
> > problems when systemd showed up. We had to deal with some fairly icky
> > problems when grub2 showed up. It's a process we've dealt with before.
> > We know how to do it. We just need to hold our noses and fix the icky
> > problems, and then sit down and think about the design issues that have
> > become apparent in Modularity v2 through our actually implementing it
> > and using it (which is what Fedora is for, remember!) and figure out
> > how to address them in Modularity v3.
> 
> Are we going to do a Modularity v3? Because people seemed to be
> *really* reluctant to go down that path because it would break
> compatibility with RHEL.

Well, those are just the terms I use to think about it, they have no
official validity. So in a sense it's a pointless semantic question.
Let's put it this way: I'd be surprised if we don't wind up having to
make significant changes/enhancements to the modularity rules and/or
implementation to be able to resolve the issues we're dealing with
right now (Stephen, in some of his replies, seems to agree) and to me
it'd be valid to call that 'modularity v3'. Whether anyone else would
call it that or not doesn't seem too important :)
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Adam Williamson
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