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Subject:    Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?
From:       Matthias Clasen <mclasen () redhat ! com>
Date:       2019-04-16 15:48:52
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@0pointer.de>
wrote:

> Heya,
>
> today I installed the current Fedora 30 Workstation beta on my new
> laptop. It was a bumpy ride, I must say (the partitioner (blivet?)
> crashed five times or so on me, always kicking me out of anaconda
> again, just because I wanted to undo something). But I don't really
> want to discuss that. What I do want to discuss is this:
>
>
>
> Ideally, the top 4 wouldn't be installed at all anymore (in case of
> the first two at least on the systems which do not need them). But if
> that's not in the cards, it would be great to at least not enable
> these services anymore in the default boot so that they are only a
> "systemctl enable" away for people who need them?
>
>
I think all of these are good ideas. "No udev-settle" seems like a nice
highlevel goal to shoot for.

Another one I might add: "No stuck stop jobs" - it annoys me every single
time when I reboot and something like rngd or conmon holds up my reboot
for several minutes for no reason at all.

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Lennart Poettering &lt;<a \
href="mailto:mzerqung@0pointer.de">mzerqung@0pointer.de</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Heya,<br> <br>
today I installed the current Fedora 30 Workstation beta on my new<br>
laptop. It was a bumpy ride, I must say (the partitioner (blivet?)<br>
crashed five times or so on me, always kicking me out of anaconda<br>
again, just because I wanted to undo something). But I don&#39;t really<br>
want to discuss that. What I do want to discuss is this:<br>
<br><br>
<br>
Ideally, the top 4 wouldn&#39;t be installed at all anymore (in case of<br>
the first two at least on the systems which do not need them). But if<br>
that&#39;s not in the cards, it would be great to at least not enable<br>
these services anymore in the default boot so that they are only a<br>
&quot;systemctl enable&quot; away for people who need them?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think all of these are good ideas. &quot;No \
udev-settle&quot; seems like a nice</div><div>highlevel goal to shoot \
for.</div><div><br></div><div>Another one I might add: &quot;No stuck stop jobs&quot; \
- it annoys me every single</div><div>time when I reboot and something like rngd or \
conmon holds up my reboot</div><div>for several minutes for no reason at \
all.<br></div><br></div></div>


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