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Subject:    Re: Proposal: delay F31 release to work out infrastructure and lifecycle challenges
From:       drago01 <drago01 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2018-11-27 7:05:36
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On Monday, November 26, 2018, Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:50:33AM -0500, Paul Frields wrote:
> > Here's the summary from the page, which proposes we pause the release
> > after F30 for these efforts:
>
> I know it was a big time-off holiday week in the US, but I expected a
> little
> more interest in this post. Perhaps it seemed like too much text to digest
> along with turkey and stuffing. :) I'm highlighting it with a subject
> reflecting the big, direct impact, and here's some other top-level
> proposals:
>
> * embrace Taiga (an open source kanban tool) for project planning
> * fix the compose speed (target: one hour!)
> * really actually for real gated Rawhide
> * better CI pipeline tests for everything
> * define a base platform -- Red Hat wants to focus resources here
> * better tooling for non-base deliverables
> * better metrics for everything
>
>
> Please read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Lifecycle/
> Problem_statements
> and comment in this thread.
>
>
I am not really convinced that delaying the release for that makes sense.

It's not like people will stop updating packages or that existing release
tools will magically disappear (they have to work to keep existing versions
running).

So people can work on those improvement and bring them in when ready but
stopping everything for that is overkill.

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<br><br>On Monday, November 26, 2018, Matthew Miller &lt;<a \
href="mailto:mattdm@fedoraproject.org">mattdm@fedoraproject.org</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:50:33AM -0500, Paul Frields \
wrote:<br> &gt; Here&#39;s the summary from the page, which proposes we pause the \
release<br> &gt; after F30 for these efforts:<br>
<br>
I know it was a big time-off holiday week in the US, but I expected a little<br>
more interest in this post. Perhaps it seemed like too much text to digest<br>
along with turkey and stuffing. :) I&#39;m highlighting it with a subject<br>
reflecting the big, direct impact, and here&#39;s some other top-level<br>
proposals:<br>
<br>
* embrace Taiga (an open source kanban tool) for project planning<br>
* fix the compose speed (target: one hour!)<br>
* really actually for real gated Rawhide<br>
* better CI pipeline tests for everything<br>
* define a base platform -- Red Hat wants to focus resources here<br>
* better tooling for non-base deliverables<br>
* better metrics for everything<br>
<br>
<br>
Please read <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Lifecycle/Problem_statements" \
target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/<wbr>wiki/Objectives/Lifecycle/<wbr>Problem_statements</a><br>
 and comment in this thread.<br><br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not really convinced that delaying the release \
for that makes sense.</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not like people will stop \
updating packages or that existing release tools will magically disappear (they have \
to work to keep existing versions running).</div><div><br></div><div>So people can \
work on those improvement and bring them in when ready but stopping everything for \
that is overkill.</div><div><br></div><div>  </div>


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