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List:       fedora-devel-list
Subject:    Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience
From:       Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk () redhat ! com>
Date:       2013-03-14 11:12:54
Message-ID: 5141B0B6.5090408 () redhat ! com
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On 03/12/2013 01:07 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Lennart Poettering
> <mzerqung@0pointer.de> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (lists@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson <bjorn@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> wrote:
>>>> Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press some key at the
>>>> right moment?
>>>
>>> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to
>>> get to the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably
>>> should entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
>>
>> Somebody who is capable of installing multiple operating systems on one
>> machine should easily be savvy enough to remember that pressing
>> shift/esc/space/f2/whatever gets him the boot menu.
>>
>> If you installed multiple OSes and noticed that the boot menu is gone,
>> wouldn't pressing these keys be your natural reaction anyway?
>>
>> Lennart
> 
> I've been a hardware evaluator. Absolutely not, because different
> hardware components have different, and fundamentally unpredictable,
> configuration keys. Hiding the particular configuration key for the
> bootloader, that may be only work for a few seconds in a lengthy boot
> process on, say, an HP high end controller with several disk
> controller cards, is wasting the system engineer's time with repeated
> reboots where *she can't tell when to push the escape button without
> triggering the wrong configuration tool*.
> 
> I would reject out of hand tools that did this.

+1

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