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List:       fedora-devel-list
Subject:    Re: Network configuration future
From:       Dan Williams <dcbw () redhat ! com>
Date:       2012-09-07 18:15:00
Message-ID: 1347041700.8913.31.camel () dcbw ! foobar ! com
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On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 13:23 +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08/30/2012 08:55 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said: 
> >> Olaf Kirch (okir@suse.de) said: 
> >>> On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:56:45 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >>>> On 08/29/2012 11:58 AM, Olaf Kirch wrote:
> >>>>> Your feedback is very much welcome!
> >>>>
> >>>> The network management/solution of the future most likely ( at least
> >>>> will need to ) be something that is integrated  into ( or with )
> >>>> systemd/Core OS
> >>>
> >>> Indeed, and that's where I'd like to go. Which is one of the reasons
> >>> for choosing dbus as the transport.
> >>
> >> The systemd people do have some ideas they've already been kicking around
> >> for this already... have you seen it?
> > 
> > To be clear, I'm not really convinced yet that this is something we need...
> > there is a lot of legacy admin overhead and infrastructure that is highly
> > resistant to change here.
> 
> Speaking as an admin I think something needs to happen here. The current
> shell script/NetworkManager chimera is really ugly since they don't
> cooperate well I really wished things would go one way or the other or
> someone would come up with something that replaces both but I consider the
> current situation as a worst case scenario.

We're working on that in the NM space, with management modes in between
"unmanaged" and "fully managed".  For whatever reason, we'll never be in
a position where one or the other solution "wins", so we'll have to
figure out ways to coexist.  And obviously the goal is to get better
than the current situation.

Dan

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