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List:       fedora-devel-list
Subject:    Re: rsyslog is in F8
From:       nodata <lsof () nodata ! co ! uk>
Date:       2007-07-18 14:51:49
Message-ID: 1184770309.4284.0.camel () sb-home
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Am Mittwoch, den 18.07.2007, 13:56 +0200 schrieb Peter Vrabec:
> Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
> > Peter Vrabec wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> It obsoletes sysklogd, so sysklogd in not running anymore and is
> >>>>>> erased
> >>>>>> after update. Note, that rsyslog won't start automatically. You
> >>>>>> need to
> >>>>>> do #service rsyslog start,(or restart the box). This problem
> >>>>>> should be
> >>>>>> solved by anaconda during upgrade from FC->F8.
> >>>>>>                 
> >>>>> What happens if I upgrade using yum?
> >>>>>             
> >>>> You won't have running system log daemon until you restart the
> >>>> system or
> >>>> run service rsyslog start manually.
> >>>>         
> >>> I'd say that since sysklogd is erased, rsylogd should be automatically
> >>> enabled and started. Yes, I know the packaging recommendations, but I
> >>> think that in this case an exception should be accepted.
> >>>     
> >>
> >> I agree, but I don't know any nice and secure way we can do it. 
> > shipping an /etc/init.d/rsyslog with default options set to enabled +
> > service rsyslog start in %post is not OK ?
> No, it not :-(. service rsyslog start will always start rsyslog, but we
> need to start rsyslog only when sysklogd run before.

condrestart or equivalent?

> >> Since we replace sysklogd in rawhide and rsyslogd will be installed
> >> during fresh
> >> F8 installation I don't see this is a big problem.
> >    You make the assumption that rawhide users will know about the
> > replacement and activate rsyslogd manually. I bet most of them will
> > blindly do yum -y update <insert your favorite other options here> and
> > cry afterwards. Do not assume that they are subscribed to fedora mailing
> > lists. Most of them are not. Or at least almost none of those I
> > personally know in the RLUG community, to be more correct.
> > 
> 

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