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Subject:    Re: Default suspend on live images?
From:       Matthias Clasen <mclasen () redhat ! com>
Date:       2018-03-09 11:15:54
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On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:02 AM Silvia S=C3=A1nchez <bhkohane@gmail.com> wro=
te:

>
> Heya!
>
> I don't think that leaving this default behaviour will do any good. First
> because suspending a live image doesn't makes much sense, second because =
if
> it doesn't work properly it will only cause problems and complaints, and
> last but not least, because people may get upset or confused when  the li=
ve
> distro suspends after a relatively short time.  I mean, if I wasn't aware
> of this behaviour and I would find it by the first time, I would think it=
 a
> bug; and if it doesn't work properly I'll be upset.
> I would rather prefer to prevent this scenario. Particularly because I
> don't see the benefits.
> Maybe someone can throw some light? What are the benefits?
>

20 minutes of idleness is not really 'a short time' - not like it will
suspend while you are pausing to collect your thoughts in the middle of an
email.

The benefit is that this default is compliant with power saving regulations
in various regions.

As to whether we should change it or not, that depends on how important we
consider the 'running uninstalled' use case. Every
change from the default that we do for it adds some extra cost
and makes the 'run live' case weaker for 'trying it out' - you end
up trying something that behaves differently from the real thing...

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<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at \
3:02 AM Silvia Sánchez &lt;<a \
href="mailto:bhkohane@gmail.com">bhkohane@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><br><div>Heya!</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t think that leaving this \
default behaviour will do any good. First because suspending a live image doesn&#39;t \
makes much sense, second because if it doesn&#39;t work properly it will only cause \
problems and complaints, and last but not least, because people may get upset or \
confused when   the live distro suspends after a relatively short time.   I mean, if \
I wasn&#39;t aware of this behaviour and I would find it by the first time, I would \
think it a bug; and if it doesn&#39;t work properly I&#39;ll be upset.</div><div>I \
would rather prefer to prevent this scenario. Particularly because I don&#39;t see \
the benefits.</div><div>Maybe someone can throw some light? What are the \
benefits?</div></div></blockquote><div>  <br></div><div>20 minutes of idleness is not \
really &#39;a short time&#39; - not like it will suspend while you are pausing to \
collect your thoughts in the middle of an email.</div><div><br></div><div>The benefit \
is that this default is compliant with power saving regulations in various \
regions.</div><div><br></div><div>As to whether we should change it or not, that \
depends on how important we consider the &#39;running uninstalled&#39; use case. \
Every</div><div>change from the default that we do for it adds some extra \
cost</div><div>and makes the &#39;run live&#39; case weaker for &#39;trying it \
out&#39; - you end</div><div>up trying something that behaves differently from the \
real thing...<br></div></div></div>


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