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Subject: Re: Free Software funding campaign in Brazil.
From: Diogo Campos <diogocamposwd () gmail ! com>
Date: 2016-02-16 12:07:43
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2016-02-16 8:50 GMT-02:00 Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>:
> Hi,
> it's indeed an ambitious plan
:)
> I can't really evaluate the feasibility
> of crowdsourcing because I'm not from Brazil
Here is an example of a successful crowdfunding in Brazil:
https://www.catarse.me/pt/deadfishoficial
It's a pretty famous and (mostly) independent hardcore band (my favorite,
btw) who tried to fund a new album last year.
They could mobilize 3.000+ people to raise (an one-time) USD 62,000.
I will try to engage 1,000-10,000 people to raise (monthly) USD
2,000-20,000.
So, yeah, it's hard. But I'm willing to try :)
> but I suppose it will be
> pretty challenging considering the economic difficulties the country is
> experiencing nowadays.
>
South America in general is fucked up since 500 years ago. However, the
amount I will be asking is R$ 2 (USD 0.50), which can buy only 1kg of
banana. In another comparison, everyone with 1 Mbps+ home internet access
in Brazil pays more than R$ 60 (USD 15) monthly; usually R$ 100 (USD 25).
Severely capped (like 50MB per day) mobile internet connection (3G/4G)
costs R$ 22 (USD 5.50+) per month.
But, again, surely will be hard. Especially being about Free Software.
Although it can be a bit easier if the international community help spread
the word and, maybe, give half-of-a-dollar too.
> Where the calculation fails IHMO is the salary of developers. From what
> I heard from my Brazilian colleagues, there is no way to hire a full-
> time developer for $440. To get at least a bit experienced software
> developer, I think you need at least $2000 even in Brazil. Note that
> the total cost is not only the net salary, but it also includes taxes,
> social, health insurance and other employee-related expenses. In most
> countries, the company's direct costs on an employee are at least twice
> as much as what they receive in the end.
>
You are totally right. Employment cost are high, and an (employed)
experienced developer can receive R$ 8,000+ (USD 2,000+).
But, as stated, the developers will be "hired" as self-employed
professionals (freelancers).
And, hey, there is a buch of developers already working for free in Free
Software in general. I think a bit of money can't hurt. And even if it is
of low quantity, I think it can be really appreciated.
Also, as said, a fallback plan is use the same money to pay for a half-time
job. This would still be a hell of a boost to Free Software, and would
still scream independence and unity from the Free Software community, in my
perception.
And I'm really grateful for the (good) feedback, Jiri.
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-16 \
8:50 GMT-02:00 Jiri Eischmann <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:eischmann@redhat.com" \
target="_blank">eischmann@redhat.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
</div></div>Hi,<br>
it's indeed an ambitious plan</blockquote><div><br>:)<br> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I can't really evaluate the feasibility<br> of \
crowdsourcing because I'm not from Brazil</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here is \
an example of a s<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span \
class="">uccessful</span></span> crowdfunding in Brazil: <a \
href="https://www.catarse.me/pt/deadfishoficial">https://www.catarse.me/pt/deadfishoficial</a><br><br></div><div>It's \
a pretty famous and (mostly) independent hardcore band (my favorite, btw) who tried \
to fund a new album last year.<br><br></div><div>They could mobilize 3.000+ people to \
raise (an one-time) USD 62,000.<br></div><div>I will try to engage 1,000-10,000 \
people to raise (<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span \
class="">monthly</span></span>) USD 2,000-20,000.<br><br></div><div>So, yeah, \
it's hard. But I'm willing to try :)<br></div><div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">but I suppose it will be<br> pretty challenging \
considering the economic difficulties the country is<br> experiencing \
nowadays.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>South America in general is fucked up \
since 500 years ago. However, the amount I will be asking is R$ 2 (USD 0.50), which \
can buy only 1kg of banana. In another comparison, everyone with 1 Mbps+ home \
internet access in Brazil pays more than R$ 60 (USD 15) <span id="result_box" \
class="" lang="en"><span class="">monthly</span></span>; usually R$ 100 (USD 25). \
Severely capped (like 50MB per day) mobile internet connection (3G/4G) costs R$ 22 \
(USD 5.50+) per <span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span \
class="">month</span></span>.<br><br></div><div>But, again, surely will be hard. \
Especially being about Free Software.<br></div><div>Although it can be a bit easier \
if the international community help spread the word and, maybe, give half-of-a-dollar \
too.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Where the calculation \
fails IHMO is the salary of developers. From what<br> I heard from my Brazilian \
colleagues, there is no way to hire a full-<br> time developer for $440. To get at \
least a bit experienced software<br> developer, I think you need at least $2000 even \
in Brazil. Note that<br> the total cost is not only the net salary, but it also \
includes taxes,<br> social, health insurance and other employee-related expenses. In \
most<br> countries, the company's direct costs on an employee are at least \
twice<br> as much as what they receive in the \
end.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are totally right. Employment cost are \
high, and an (employed) experienced developer can receive R$ 8,000+ (USD \
2,000+).<br><br></div><div>But, as stated, the developers will be "hired" \
as self-employed professionals (freelancers).<br><br></div><div>And, hey, there is a \
buch of developers already working for free in Free Software in general. I think a \
bit of money can't hurt. And even if it is of low quantity, I think it can be \
really <span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span \
class="">appreciated</span></span>.<br><br></div><div>Also, as said, a fallback plan \
is use the same money to pay for a half-time job. This would still be a hell of a \
boost to Free Software, and would still scream <span id="result_box" class="" \
lang="en"><span class="">independence</span></span> and unity from the Free Software \
<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">community</span></span>, in \
my perception.<br><br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">And \
I'm really grateful for the (good) feedback, \
Jiri.<br></span></span></div></div></div></div>
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