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List:       fedora-desktop-list
Subject:    Re: Dropping i686 media for F24
From:       "Paul W. Frields" <stickster () gmail ! com>
Date:       2016-01-21 19:17:43
Message-ID: 20160121191743.GC2562 () raquel-eth ! redhat ! com
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:31:47PM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@gmail.com>
> > To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:13:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Dropping i686 media for F24
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:37:46AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 15:39 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Adam Williamson
> > > > <adamwill@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 09:24 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 09:01:47AM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > > > > > > My hope that for F24 our download is not an iso image, but rather
> > > > > > > USB-creator. We could try to build some kind of GPU detection into
> > > > > > > USB creator to have it choose a 64 bit image if the CPU supports
> > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > and maybe that would help reduce our 32 bit numbers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is there a change proposal filed for this? It's definitely the kind
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > thing which warrants it, for communication with the web and
> > > > > > infrastructure teams, and for marketing.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The USB creator, presumably, is a small download, which then itself
> > > > > > does download of the ISO? I assume it's packaged as an installer for
> > > > > > Windows and OS X -- what about for Linux? (Either for existing Fedora
> > > > > > users or distro-hoppers?)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think he's talking about liveusb-creator, in which case yes, this is
> > > > > more or less what it is. I would be leery about making luc the 'main'
> > > > > download for Workstation given its current abilities and the resources
> > > > > currently devoted to it, though. In my experience it's the least
> > > > > reliable of the 'official' USB writing mechanisms, after dd-style
> > > > > writes (most reliable) and livecd-iso-to-disk. I'm also not sure if we
> > > > > have a packaging of luc for non-Fedora distros or OS X.
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah but does luc do GPU detection,
> > > 
> > > No, but Christian wrote "we could try to build" that, he didn't say we
> > > already had it.
> > > 
> > > >  or download ISOs? I thought you
> > > > had to point it to an ISO file.
> > > 
> > > luc does do downloads - you *can* point it at a file, but it also has
> > > both a built-in list of images it can download and write, and a remote
> > > URL it queries for an updated list when you hit a 'refresh' button (it
> > > should really pull the list on startup if you're connected to the
> > > internet, but it doesn't, I tried to fix this once and failed, maybe I
> > > should take another shot).
> > 
> > The interface could likely use some work as well.  It contains jargon
> > a new user has no way to decipher.  So it would be a good idea to
> > involve the Design team for that.
> > 
> 
> Yeah, I think we definitely need to make the text part of the Fedora release
> process as I would assume that we want to adjust the descriptive text over time.
> So maybe we can figure out a system where our design and marketing teams can
> provide updated textual decscriptions for each release and in a format that
> allows our translators to translate it before release.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing, maybe I
misunderstood?

I was referring to the actual interface of the liveusb-creator.  It
features jargon such as "destructive (cp)"/"non-destructive (dd)" and
"persistence."  I don't think that's going to work well for users on
their first experience procuring and installing Fedora.

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