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Subject: Re: [XP] iterations, continuous flow, kanban ...
From: John Roth <JohnRoth1 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2009-07-25 16:22:42
Message-ID: 4A6B3152.3040700 () gmail ! com
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My understanding it that the issue is pressure to
put more into an iteration than will comfortably fit.
Kanban doesn't have this kind of pressure, although
it does have the kind you describe.
John Roth
Chris Morris wrote:
>
>
> Even in Kanban you'll call something done at some point, right? If
> something's been going on longer than somebody wants, there will be
> pressure
> to shortcut.
>
> This sounds like a people/culture issue to me. No discipline carries
> with it
> the inherent ability to follow it. Obviously, certain disciplines can be
> easier than others, but iteration vs. continuous doesn't seem to have any
> substantial difference on shortcut pressure, not to the extent of one
> being
> able to overcome a pressured culture when the other can't.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@acm.org
> <mailto:ronjeffries%40acm.org>> wrote:
>
> A kanban approach doesn't have iterations as such, so there is not
> > as good a place for that kind of pressure to stand. Could it be that
> > iterations aren't as good an idea as we think? Sometimes? Ever?
>
> --
> Chris
> http://clabs.org <http://clabs.org>
>
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<p>My understanding it that the issue is pressure to<br>
put more into an iteration than will comfortably fit.<br>
Kanban doesn't have this kind of pressure, although<br>
it does have the kind you describe.<br>
<br>
John Roth<br>
<br>
Chris Morris wrote:<br>
> <br>
><br>
> Even in Kanban you'll call something done at some point, right? If<br>
> something's been going on longer than somebody wants, there will be <br>
> pressure<br>
> to shortcut.<br>
><br>
> This sounds like a people/culture issue to me. No discipline carries <br>
> with it<br>
> the inherent ability to follow it. Obviously, certain disciplines can be<br>
> easier than others, but iteration vs. continuous doesn't seem to have any<br>
> substantial difference on shortcut pressure, not to the extent of one <br>
> being<br>
> able to overcome a pressured culture when the other can't.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ron Jeffries <<a \
href="mailto:ronjeffries%40acm.org">ronjeffries@<wbr>acm.org</a> <br> > \
<mailto:ronjeffries<wbr>%40acm.org><wbr>> wrote:<br> ><br>
> A kanban approach doesn't have iterations as such, so there is not<br>
> > as good a place for that kind of pressure to stand. Could it be that<br>
> > iterations aren't as good an idea as we think? Sometimes? Ever?<br>
><br>
> -- <br>
> Chris<br>
> <a href="http://clabs.org">http://clabs.<wbr>org</a> <<a \
href="http://clabs.org">http://clabs.<wbr>org</a>><br> ><br>
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