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Subject:    Re: [XP] Re: OT slightly: When the job changes but the programmer  doesn't...
From:       Esther Schindler <esther () bitranch ! com>
Date:       2009-04-24 18:15:50
Message-ID: E54D8401-4C89-45E7-BE22-B283DC886282 () bitranch ! com
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I just now posted a "Frank update" as a comment on the blog post. :-)

On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Olof Bjarnason wrote:

> Esther;
>
> Thanks for summing up the topic.
>
> But (isn't there always one? he) as others have hinted, without giving
> Frank the opportunity to pair with developers fluent in the new
> language, you really cannot fire him with a light heart.
>
> How much pairing effort has Frank been through?
>
> /Olof
>
> 2009/4/24 Adam Sroka <adam.sroka@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Phlip wrote:
>>>
>>>> "After six months on the new system, his inability to come up to  
>>>> speed
>>>> is slowing down the project for his teammates and frustrating his
>>>> manager."
>>>>
>>>> I searched for "pair" but got no hit. Uh...
>>>
>>> D'oh! It's on page two. But..!
>>>
>>> Adam S. recommends pairing as a diagnostic technique.
>>>
>>> I recommend it as a technique to not even notice if "Frank" is  
>>> having a
>>> creativity problem.
>>>
>>> How about Adam repeatedly write bugs and complications, and let  
>>> Frank do
>>> what he
>>> does best with them?
>>>
>>
>> What I actually said was that we don't even know what is going on  
>> with
>> Frank until we watch him do it. And, that if we sit down with him we
>> might learn a lot about what he is doing or not doing that is causing
>> him and those around him to perceive him as failing. We also may be
>> able to motivate him or fill in the missing bits that would enable  
>> him
>> to work effectively. We really don't know, and if we don't sit down
>> with him we really have not yet tried to know.
>>
>
>
>
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      <p>I just now posted a &quot;Frank update&quot; as a comment on the blog post. \
:-)<br> <br>
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Olof Bjarnason wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Esther;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks for summing up the topic.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; But (isn't there always one? he) as others have hinted, without giving<br>
&gt; Frank the opportunity to pair with developers fluent in the new<br>
&gt; language, you really cannot fire him with a light heart.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How much pairing effort has Frank been through?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Olof<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/4/24 Adam Sroka &lt;<a \
href="mailto:adam.sroka%40gmail.com">adam.sroka@gmail.<wbr>com</a>&gt;:<br> \
&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Phlip &lt;<a \
href="mailto:phlip2005%40gmail.com">phlip2005@gmail.<wbr>com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> \
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Phlip wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;After six months on the new system, his inability to come up \
to  <br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; speed<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is slowing down the project for his teammates and frustrating \
his<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; manager.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I searched for &quot;pair&quot; but got no hit. Uh...<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; D'oh! It's on page two. But..!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Adam S. recommends pairing as a diagnostic technique.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I recommend it as a technique to not even notice if &quot;Frank&quot; is \
<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; having a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; creativity problem.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; How about Adam repeatedly write bugs and complications, and let  <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Frank do<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; what he<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; does best with them?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; What I actually said was that we don't even know what is going on  <br>
&gt;&gt; with<br>
&gt;&gt; Frank until we watch him do it. And, that if we sit down with him we<br>
&gt;&gt; might learn a lot about what he is doing or not doing that is causing<br>
&gt;&gt; him and those around him to perceive him as failing. We also may be<br>
&gt;&gt; able to motivate him or fill in the missing bits that would enable  <br>
&gt;&gt; him<br>
&gt;&gt; to work effectively. We really don't know, and if we don't sit down<br>
&gt;&gt; with him we really have not yet tried to know.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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  font-family: Verdana;
  font-weight: bold;
}

dd.last p span.yshortcuts {
  margin-right: 0;
}

div.photo-title a,
div.photo-title a:active,
div.photo-title a:hover,
div.photo-title a:visited {
    text-decoration: none;
}

div.file-title a,
div.file-title a:active,
div.file-title a:hover,
div.file-title a:visited {
    text-decoration: none;
}

#ygrp-msg p#attach-count {
    clear: both;
    padding: 15px 0 3px 0;
    overflow: hidden;
}

#ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
    color: #1E66AE;
    font-weight: bold;
}

div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts {
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-size: 10px;
    font-weight: normal;
}

#ygrp-msg p a {
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-size: 10px;
}

#ygrp-mlmsg a {
    color: #1E66AE;
}

div.attach-table div div a {
    text-decoration: none;
}

div.attach-table {
    width: 400px;
}

	-->
	</style>
	</head>
	<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~-->
	</html><!--End group email -->



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