'Re: [Evms-devel] SMI-S again'

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List:       evms-devel
Subject:    Re: [Evms-devel] SMI-S again
From:       Ming Zhang <mingz () ele ! uri ! edu>
Date:       2006-04-24 19:28:27
Message-ID: 1145906907.8585.226.camel () localhost ! localdomain
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On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:19 -0700, Mike Young wrote:
> I'm not sure if a plug-in is necessary for this.  I think plug-ins to
> IET might be useful.  But not for device level management.

i said plugin because the quickest way to extend evms is plugin.

> 
> If a provider is of interest, we could probably create one quickly
> simply using the existing EVMS APIs.  The real question is going to be
> how much do we need to tie in and in what timeframe.  Do we have to
> tie in the cluster interface?  Does this have to be able to create
> objects?  You know what I'm talking about?
> 
> Now, if all that is being asked for is something that can report
> status at a system level, it should be even easier.  But this is what
> I'm trying to ascertain.

report status is less useful. u turn storage resource management to
storage resource monitoring...

> 
> Anyway, I'm working on some stuff right now, which actually involves
> managing volumes and managing IET and a few other things.  So,
> timing's good until I get pulled onto other projects.

sounds interesting, maybe we should go back IET list to discuss this. ;)


> 
> If you've got some wish list, let me know.


> 
> -Mike
> 
> On 4/24/06, Ming Zhang <mingz@ele.uri.edu> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 11:58 -0700, Mike Young wrote:
> > > How many projects are you monitoring Ming?  I think there could be
> >
> > as long as it is networked storage related...
> >
> > > some merit in such a thing.  I'm curious if there's much interest from
> > > others in this community or do they feel similarly.
> >
> > yes, i admit that it is nice to support everything. it might be too
> > complex, but considering a plugin structure, it might be acceptable. the
> > real issue is development time/value ratio, which lead to a low
> > priority.
> >
> > >
> > > Honestly, I don't see it as a big deal if all that's being asked for
> > > is a CIMOM provider to EVMS.  We've prototyped some stuff along these
> > > lines a while ago, but saw no external demand from our OEMs or from
> > > end customers.  I definitely saw no demand from the end customer.  In
> > > fact we've developed a complete SMI-S framework, but folks are still
> > > using our other stuff.
> > >
> > > Any other thoughts out there?
> >
> > maybe this can be a eclipse like project? some big guys like IBM release
> > a SMI-S client and then many storage management software jump in, users
> > use it freely and happily.
> >
> > >
> > > BTW, I'm not sure what the predecessor was called.  It feels so darn
> > > familiar to initiatives we pushed back in my first tour of duty at
> > > Adaptec in the mid 90s.
> >
> > CMI? i already forgot, when SMIS 1.0 was out, i thought it could be a
> > big thing, printed whole spec, read it out, googled many stuff i can
> > find about it, and felt i am a "fashion victim" again!
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > On 4/24/06, Ming Zhang <mingz@ele.uri.edu> wrote:
> > > > for similar reasons, i did not see any big need to support SMIS in EVMS
> > > > right now, or to say it has a very low priority to have such support.
> > > > the predecessor of SMIS, (i even forgot its name ;)), is that a widely
> > > > used one? ;)
> > > >
> > > > vendors and markets will wait storage resource management software fight
> > > > another several years before they come out anything real...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 11:36 -0700, Mike Young wrote:
> > > > > Hi Johan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to disagree with you on the conclusion regarding SMI-S.  I'm
> > > > > pretty tightly coupled to a number of storage OEMs by virtue of my
> > > > > job.  In general, most storage OEMs continue to develop management
> > > > > solutions outside of SMI-S.  Those who support SMI-S initiatives also
> > > > > tend to have their own parallel path of developing CGI and CLI based
> > > > > management in parallel.  So, I don't see anyone dropping the
> > > > > current/old paradigm to jump exclusively into this.  Now, there are
> > > > > some big proponents of SMI-S at IBM and EMC.  But this doesn't
> > > > > represent the bulk of the industry from a unit volume perspective.  I
> > > > > don't want to really argue the merit of SMI-S.  I think there is some
> > > > > merit.  But it can be a resource pig if done poorly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you looking for someone to develop a provider?  If so, are you
> > > > > looking to leverage  Pegasis?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just trying to understand what you're looking for.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/24/06, johan@capvert.se <johan@capvert.se> wrote:
> > > > > >                                         Hi, EVMS list people!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   I tried a couple of times now to communicate with the list, and with the
> > > > > > maintainers, about the SMI-S. I am not sure about why I don 愒 get any
> > > > > > respons. For the reason that some people don 愒 know what SMI-S is, I will
> > > > > > explain it briefly: SMI-S stands for Storage Management Initiative
> > > > > > Specifications, and is it an open, vendor independent standard. SMI-S is of
> > > > > > outmost relevance for all vendors, developers and end users of  Storage
> > > > > > Management software. All future software, of ANY significance, will have to
> > > > > > comply with SMI-S, because this will be the sole standard in the future. No
> > > > > > software that doesn 愒 comply with SMI-S will have any future, because it
> > > > > > will not be compliant with all the other developers and vendors software,
> > > > > > it will be an isolated island that not many people would like to use. I
> > > > > > write this, because I care about EVMS, I would like to see a future for
> > > > > > such a nice application.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  SMI-S is a major break through in the storage world for open standards.
> > > > > > Everyone that has been around in this world for a while, knows what I mean.
> > > > > > And I would hate to see the open source world be left behind.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  I send a link for those who want to know more about SMI-S:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.snia.org/smi/about/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  What I originally wanted to know, was if EVMS developement team had a
> > > > > > strategy for SMI-S? No one has answered me about that, and that makes me
> > > > > > wonder? Why? Because there is no interest? I can 愒 believe that, this is of
> > > > > > too much importance for that! Is there for any other reason that I can 愒
> > > > > > imagine? Is this sensitive in any way for IBM? I don 愒 know, I can not
> > > > > > guess!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                Best regards from/Med v瓣nliga h瓣lsningar fr疇n
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                                  Johan Kragsterman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                                http://www.capvert.se
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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