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List:       enlightenment-users
Subject:    Re: [e-users] Unable to Build - e_dbus module - Please help
From:       Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster () rasterman ! com>
Date:       2012-03-14 16:23:06
Message-ID: 20120315012306.b0fb19cf.raster () rasterman ! com
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On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:20:37 -0600 Chris Story <kc5hhq@gmail.com> said:

your opengl libs are old. too old for evas.

> Raster --
> 
>   Below is the output of the command.
> 
>     c0re@Nox:~$ export EVAS_GL_INFO=1
>     c0re@Nox:~$ export EINA_LOG_LEVELS=eina_module:4
>     c0re@Nox:~$ expedite -e gl
>     DBG<32264>:eina_module eina_module.c:575 eina_module_list_load() array
> 0x10d33e0, count 0
>     DBG<32264>:eina_module eina_module.c:305 eina_module_new() m=0x10e7cf0,
> file=/opt/e17/lib/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/linux-gnu-x86_64-1.1.99/module.so
>     DBG<32264>:eina_module eina_module.c:332 eina_module_load()
> m=0x10e7cf0, handle=(nil),
> file=/opt/e17/lib/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/linux-gnu-x86_64-1.1.99/module.so,
> refs=0
>     WRN<32264>:eina_module eina_module.c:340 eina_module_load() could not
> dlopen
> ("/opt/e17/lib/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/linux-gnu-x86_64-1.1.99/module.so",
> RTLD_NOW): /opt/e17/lib/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/linux-gnu-x86_64-1.1.99/module.so:
> undefined symbol: glGetRenderbufferParameteriv
> DBG<32264>:eina_module eina_module.c:314 eina_module_free() m=0x10e7cf0,
> handle=(nil),
> file=/opt/e17/lib/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/linux-gnu-x86_64-1.1.99/module.so,
> refs=0
>     Evas does not support the OpenGL X11 Engine
>     No engine selected.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Christopher Michael <cpmichael1@comcast.net
> > wrote:
> 
> > On 02/29/2012 01:59 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:55:35 -0500 Christopher Michael<
> > cpmichael1@comcast.net>
> > > said:
> > >
> > > and as i said to chris.. what does:
> > >
> > > export ELM_GL_INFO=1
> > > expedite -e gl
> > >
> > > say?
> > >
> > > lets go one step further and log module goop:
> > >
> > > export EINA_LOG_LEVELS=eina_module:4
> > >
> > > now what?
> > >
> > HRmmm.. /usr/lib & /usr/lib/1386 issues ??
> >
> > dh
> >
> > >> sorry for the top post....
> > >>
> > >> iirc...old man is almost always right. when he's wrong, is still right
> > >> in ways ;)
> > >>
> > >> dh
> > >>
> > >> On 02/28/2012 10:32 PM, Wido wrote:
> > >>> Ok, so I got really really mad and nuked all the E prefix  (which was
> > >>> /opt). I also discovered that there were some ancient old EFL libs
> > laying
> > >>> around un /usr/local. In fact, so ancient that there were still ewl
> > and etk
> > >>> stuff....I nuke all those dirs as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Then, I kept looking for that egl_dri2.so file, and i happens to be
> > >>> installed with libegl1-mesa package. But I'm using NV drivers (I nuke
> > and
> > >>> reinstall them as well, before I did with EFL).
> > >>>
> > >>> So, after deleting everything, reinstalling video drivers and
> > recompiling
> > >>> all the EFL....I just like before and expedite keeps giving the same
> > error
> > >>>
> > >>> El 28 de febrero de 2012 21:53, Wido<wido.gg@gmail.com>   escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I'm getting:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> expedite: symbol lookup error:
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so:
> > >>>> undefined symbol: _glapi_get_proc_address
> > >>>>
> > >>>> but that lib is there:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> $ ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so
> > >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28172 ago  7  2011
> > >>>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so
> > >>>>
> > >>>> so I think I messed my libs somehow xD
> > >>>>
> > >>>> El 28 de febrero de 2012 20:56, Carsten
> > >>>> Haitzler<raster@rasterman.com>escribió:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:56:39 -0600 Chris Story<kc5hhq@gmail.com>
> > said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> do you perhaps have multiple efl installs in different prefixes eg
> > /usr
> > >>>>> and /usr/local or /usr/local and /opt/e or something? as such to get
> > some
> > >>>>> cmdline fun try:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> export EVAS_GL_INFO=1
> > >>>>> expedite -e gl
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> does that come up? if not - what does it complain about. if ti comes
> > >>>>> up... what
> > >>>>> does it report?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Raster --
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>     I am also getting the message regarding software mode OpenGL
> > and am
> > >>>>> using
> > >>>>>> the Nvidia proprietary drivers in Ubuntu 11.10. I am able to
> > compile E
> > >>>>>> without issue from the svn and the gl_x11 module is compiled in
> > evas. My
> > >>>>>> logs are below. SVN version is 68512.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>> c0re
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Evas Logs:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>       Engines:
> > >>>>>>         Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
> > >>>>>>         Software X11...............: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no)
> > >>>>>>         OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no)
> > (GLES: no)
> > >>>>>> (SGX: no) (s3c6410: no)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ecore Logs:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_X (Xlib backend).......: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xcursor....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xkb........................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xprint.....................: no
> > >>>>>>           Xinerama...................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xrandr.....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xgesture...................: no
> > >>>>>>           Xscreensaver...............: no
> > >>>>>>           Xrender....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xcomposite.................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xfixes.....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xdamage....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xdpms......................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xtest......................: no
> > >>>>>>           XIM........................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Xi2........................: yes
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_Win32..................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_Cocoa..................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_SDL....................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_FB.....................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Touchscreen................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_DirectFB...............: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_WinCE..................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_PSL1GHT................: no
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_Wayland................: no
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>        Ecore Evas:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>         Ecore_Evas...................: yes
> > >>>>>>           Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
> > >>>>>>           Software X11...............: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
> > >>>>>>           OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
> > >>>>>>           Software GDI...............: no
> > >>>>>>           Software DirectDraw........: no
> > >>>>>>           Direct3D...................: no
> > >>>>>>           OpenGL Glew................: no
> > >>>>>>           Software SDL...............: no
> > >>>>>>           OpenGL SDL.................: no
> > >>>>>>           OpenGL Cocoa...............: no
> > >>>>>>           DirectFB...................: no
> > >>>>>>           PSL1GHT....................: no
> > >>>>>>           Software Framebuffer.......: yes
> > >>>>>>           Software 8bit grayscale XCB: no
> > >>>>>>           Software 16bit X11.........: no
> > >>>>>>           Software 16bit DirectDraw..: no
> > >>>>>>           Software 16bit WinCE.......: no
> > >>>>>>           Sing.Proc. Windowing System: yes
> > >>>>>>               Wayland Shm................: no
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>    glxinfo|grep OpenGL
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>        OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > >>>>>>        OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GS/PCI/SSE2
> > >>>>>>        OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.30
> > >>>>>>        OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 NVIDIA via Cg
> > compiler
> > >>>>>>        OpenGL extensions:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Xorg.log:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (**) ModulePath set to
> > >>>>>> "/usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers
> > 'kbd',
> > >>>>>> 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Mouse0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (II) Loader magic: 0x7e0220
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119] (II) Module ABI versions:
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119]    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119]    X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119]    X.Org XInput driver : 12.3
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.119]    X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:01df:0000:0000 rev 161,
> > Mem @
> > >>>>>> 0xfa000000/16777216, 0xe0000000/268435456, 0xfb000000/16777216,
> > BIOS @
> > >>>>>> 0x????????/131072
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (--) PCI: (0:3:0:0) 14f1:8852:0070:7911 rev 3,
> > Mem @
> > >>>>>> 0xfda00000/2097152
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> > >>>>> default
> > >>>>>> and also specified in the config file.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> > default
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> also specified in the config file.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> > default
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> also specified in the config file.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.121] (II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> > >>>>> default
> > >>>>>> and also specified in the config file.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.125] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.125] (II) "dri2" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> > default
> > >>>>>> and also specified in the config file.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.125] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.125] (II) Loading
> > >>>>> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126] (II) Loading extension DRI2
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.126] (II) Loading
> > /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/libglx.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134]    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  173.14.30  Sat Apr 16
> > 22:45:09
> > >>>>> PDT
> > >>>>>> 2011
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134] (II) Loading extension GLX
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134] (II) LoadModule: "record"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.134] (II) Loading
> > >>>>> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension RECORD
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading
> > >>>>> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DPMS
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading
> > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) Loading
> > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) Loading
> > >>>>> /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136]    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  173.14.30  Sat
> > Apr 16
> > >>>>>> 22:18:29 PDT 2011
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported
> > NVIDIA
> > >>>>> GPUs
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.136] (--) using VT number 8
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "wfb"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "wfb"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading
> > >>>>> /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0,
> > 1.0, 1.0)
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage
> > and
> > >>>>>> Composite X extensions is
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 7300 GS (G72)
> > at
> > >>>>>> PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.72.22.43.01
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width:
> > 16X
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are
> > supported on
> > >>>>>> this GPU
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on
> > GeForce
> > >>>>>> 7300 GS at PCI:1:0:0:
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0):     ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0)
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0): 400.0
> > MHz
> > >>>>>> maximum pixel clock
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the
> > default
> > >>>>> mode
> > >>>>>> "nvidia-auto-select"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):     will be used as the
> > requested mode.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0):     "nvidia-auto-select"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined
> > to be
> > >>>>> 1280
> > >>>>>> x 1024
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (85, 86); computed
> > from
> > >>>>>> "UseEdidDpi" X config
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0):     option
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.795] (==) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.795] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.797] (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.800] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.884] (II) Loading extension NV-GLX
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.901] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration
> > Architecture
> > >>>>>> Initialized
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration
> > >>>>>> architecture
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic
> > Event
> > >>>>>> Extension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension
> > XInputExtension
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension GESTURE
> > >>>>>>       [ 42195.919] (II) Initializing extension GLX
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler<
> > raster@rasterman.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:49:42 -0300 Wido<wido.gg@gmail.com>   said:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Honestly, I can't remember =S. And can't finde the logs either =S
> > =S
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> However, I always compile evas with this flags: "
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --enable-word-cache --enable-pipe-render --enable-pthreads
> > >>>>>>>> --enable-metric-cache --enable-gles-variety-sgx", so I suppose it
> > >>>>> has.
> > >>>>>>> For
> > >>>>>>>> ecore-evas, I'm not so sure, so just to be really really sure, I
> > >>>>> will
> > >>>>>>>> recompile them and let you know how it goes
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> well configure spews out all the settings evas/ecore compile with
> > at
> > >>>>>>> configure
> > >>>>>>> time.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> BTW, Is there a way to know if it has?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> there is a gl_x11 module for evas - another file in
> > >>>>>>> PREFIX/lib/evas/modules/engines/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and it has to be named the right architecture like other moduels
> > and
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>>>> versioned correctly (all moduels get versioned along with the evas
> > >>>>> version
> > >>>>>>> so
> > >>>>>>> it has to match).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> El 28 de febrero de 2012 02:12, Carsten Haitzler
> > >>>>>>>> <raster@rasterman.com>escribió:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:11:34 -0300 Wido<wido.gg@gmail.com>
> > said:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> did evas and ecore-evas build with evas gl engine support?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I have a GeForce 9800GT, using latest NVidia drivers (OpenGL
> > >>>>> version
> > >>>>>>>>>> string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20), recent EFL (Revision: 68223),
> > >>>>> recent SO
> > >>>>>>>>> libs
> > >>>>>>>>>> (debian wheezy, almost up-to-date), and still get that annoying
> > >>>>>>> message
> > >>>>>>>>>> "Your screen does not support OpenGL.  Falling back to software
> > >>>>>>> engine"
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> can't figure out what I'm doing wrong =(
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> More specs:
> > >>>>>>>>>> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > >>>>>>>>>> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > >>>>>>>>>> GLX version: 1.4
> > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9800 GT/PCIe/SSE2/3DNOW!
> > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20
> > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg
> > >>>>> compiler
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 'magic' Raster's options are enabled:
> > >>>>>>>>>>          Option          "TripleBuffer"                  "True"
> > >>>>>>>>>>          Option          "Coolbits"                      "7"
> > >>>>>>>>>>          Option          "UseEvents"                     "True"
> > >>>>>>>>>>          Option          "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts"      "True"
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Two monitors, one at 2048x1152, the other 1680x1050. Virtual
> > >>>>> screen
> > >>>>>>> size
> > >>>>>>>>>> determined to be 3728 x 1152
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Overall performance looks ok. But I do notice a downgrade in
> > >>>>>>> performance
> > >>>>>>>>>> when comp is enabled and youtube strams a video at 720P. Also
> > >>>>> notice
> > >>>>>>>>>> downgrade in performance when some windows are opened (chrome +
> > >>>>>>> couple of
> > >>>>>>>>>> konsoles) and I switch virtual desktop
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> El 26 de febrero de 2012 03:36, Carsten Haitzler
> > >>>>>>>>>> <raster@rasterman.com>escribió:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +1000 David Seikel<
> > >>>>> onefang@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> said:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:33:09 +0000 Mick<
> > >>>>>>> michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 24 Feb 2012 10:28:22 you wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:05:25 +0000 Mick<
> > >>>>>>>>> michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 24 Feb 2012 01:05:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:57:58 +0000 Mick
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 24 Feb 2012 00:21:00 Carsten Haitzler
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just need xproto + xlibs.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just remember that compositing will be broken
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> you due
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your server being old anyway, but e/efl will
> > >>>>>>> compile
> > >>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run but compositing may fail (and we will be
> > >>>>> moving
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compositing only in future).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oops!  Won't we have an option to switch it off
> > >>>>> if we
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>>>>>>> to?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in future - no. for e17 release it'll stay a
> > >>>>> module, but
> > >>>>>>>>> after
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it'll be compositing only. get used to it - i
> > >>>>>>> suggest u
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use it and report bugs/issues. :)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't say it is bug(s) but it is a matter of
> > >>>>>>> overall
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsiveness and resources used, especially on older
> > >>>>>>> systems.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Composite uses (slightly) more CPU and memory on my
> > >>>>> amd64
> > >>>>>>> box
> > >>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more so on an old x86 with a PIII on it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lowest-end machine i've use it on is a
> > >>>>> pentium-m@600mhz-
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it works very well there. sure - not silky smooth but
> > >>>>> very
> > >>>>>>> usable...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering its copying mountains of data around and
> > >>>>>>> rendering
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything with the cpu (clients included) it's pretty
> > >>>>>>> amazing.
> > >>>>>>>>> :)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously... software compositing is working (decently)
> > >>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHONES... yes - its a price to pay - software
> > >>>>> compositing
> > >>>>>>> adds an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra copy from x to local data first before drawing
> > >>>>> and then
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing it back to x - so it adds extra overhead.
> > >>>>> theres no
> > >>>>>>> zero
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy path like gl + texture-from-pixmap.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus when say I watch something in mplayer and I move
> > >>>>>>> focus to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another window, then the mplayer window becomes
> > >>>>>>> transparent and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the picture fades. Since the cursor does not
> > >>>>> automatically
> > >>>>>>>>> follow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes I just switch composite off.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can select what style u want with compositing - its
> > >>>>>>> there in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the comp gui to select. you can have the fading
> > >>>>> disabled -
> > >>>>>>>>> wobbles
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too etc.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm ... my PIII comes up with this compositor warning:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Your screen does not support OpenGL.  Falling back to
> > >>>>> software
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> engine"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems it doesn't like the Radeon Mobility M6 LY that
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>>> old
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop is running.  I don't recall having this problem
> > >>>>> before.
> > >>>>>>>    I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> should try a later snapshot to see if it persists.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see in top enlightenment runs between 3.4 - 5% of
> > >>>>> the CPU
> > >>>>>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bursts up to 35.9 - 54% when I move between windows (a
> > >>>>> couple
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aterms and a xterm).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without composite enlightenment shows between 0.5 - 2.5%
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> the CPU
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with bursts up to 7.9% when I move between windows.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, yes it is usable, but if I am doing something heavy
> > >>>>> on this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> little box like compiling, compressing files, etc, then it
> > >>>>>>> slows
> > >>>>>>>>> down
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> noticeably and this is why I would rather give up
> > >>>>> compositing
> > >>>>>>>>> effects
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for functionality.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there some settings in the composite configuration,
> > >>>>> which
> > >>>>>>> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> minimise the load?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm seeing 30 to 50% of one core being used with the
> > >>>>> composite
> > >>>>>>> module
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> turned on, even worse in software mode, and that was with it
> > >>>>>>> sitting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> idle.  It did indeed interfere with my 3D app, it
> > >>>>> stuttered.  I
> > >>>>>>>>> jiggled
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the settings somewhat, but did not get much better than
> > >>>>> that.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 840 Processor
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Memory: 3961 MB
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Graphics Card: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> OpenGL Version: 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Unloaded the module again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wait a sec.. your nvidia drivers are ANCIENT... like from when
> > >>>>>>>>> dinosaurs
> > >>>>>>>>>>> roamed the earth! get an update man! i can have compositing
> > >>>>> on this
> > >>>>>>>>> GTS450
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (nvidia) without hassles - yes its more powerful than yours,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>> really
> > >>>>>>>>>>> only matters to complex shaders and really nasty geometry. as
> > >>>>> such
> > >>>>>>> i
> > >>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>>> run
> > >>>>>>>>>>> and recorded a whole bevy of tests with the unigine heaven
> > >>>>>>> benchmark
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (modern
> > >>>>>>>>>>> game engine that supports linux along with other platforms).
> > >>>>> i can
> > >>>>>>>>> enable
> > >>>>>>>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>>>>> disable tessellation and tessellation HURTS per - but thats
> > >>>>>>> irrelevant
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> compositing other than showing that a very complex gl using
> > >>>>> game
> > >>>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>> work
> > >>>>>>>>>>> without issues with compositing on. as such performance isnt
> > >>>>> great
> > >>>>>>>>> until i
> > >>>>>>>>>>> tune
> > >>>>>>>>>>> down quality to absolute lowest levels. also remember i have 2
> > >>>>>>> screens
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (3520x1120). results:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> | test     | comp on | comp off |
> > >>>>>>>>>>> | tess on  | 43.6    | 45.5     |
> > >>>>>>>>>>> | tess off |  9.9    | 10.1     |
> > >>>>>>>>>>> | low qual |  7.6    |  7.6     |
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> videos here:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJfbKE8P1w
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhjgpt4BRQ
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLb3T0cLts
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7uFPoerbe4
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6B0MF-n1s
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37GTJKHiHo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> no artifacts, no stuttering in compositing (well no more
> > >>>>> stuttering
> > >>>>>>>>> that in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> non-composited mode when framerates are low anyway). actual
> > >>>>>>> framerate
> > >>>>>>>>> cost
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> compositing .. in a window = 4% framerate drop for the fastest
> > >>>>>>> tests.
> > >>>>>>>>> 2%
> > >>>>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the more "intense" tests and fore the most intense.. no drop
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>>> all.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of course if i ran this fullscreen (ie window fills the
> > >>>>> entire root
> > >>>>>>>>>>> window) e17
> > >>>>>>>>>>> turns compositing off (unless you go disable that feature)
> > >>>>> and so
> > >>>>>>> its
> > >>>>>>>>> not
> > >>>>>>>>>>> even
> > >>>>>>>>>>> standing in the way of the app and the screen it draws to, so
> > >>>>> its
> > >>>>>>> not
> > >>>>>>>>> very
> > >>>>>>>>>>> relevant to benchmark that as it boils down to a pass-through
> > >>>>>>> unless
> > >>>>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>>> some really big driver bugs.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> > >>>>>>>>> --------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster@rasterman.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Virtualization&   Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud
> > >>>>> computing
> > >>>>>>>>>>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a
> > >>>>> service.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/
> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>>>>>>>> enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Wido
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> > >>>>>>> --------------
> > >>>>>>>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster@rasterman.com
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Wido
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> > >>>>> --------------
> > >>>>>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster@rasterman.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> > --------------
> > >>>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster@rasterman.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> Virtualization&   Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning
> > >>>>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing
> > >>>>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.
> > >>>>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> enlightenment-users mailing list
> > >>>>> enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Wido
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Virtualization&  Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning
> > >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing
> > >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.
> > >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning
> > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing
> > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.
> > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/
> > _______________________________________________
> > enlightenment-users mailing list
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thank you,
> 
> Chris Story


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