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Subject: Re: [e-lang] Wiki?
From: "Dean Tribble" <dtribble () gmail ! com>
Date: 2006-11-19 22:48:53
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This would be great. A few recommendations:
- require trivial login's for posting. With one-time cookies, this provides
a very minimal barrier to entry, and allows the system to tag contributions
by their author. For any wiki with such specializaed content, I would
expect the reduction in participation to be minimal. Also, with a
relatively small community, it's too easy to miss cleanups if anyone can
post.
- seed the registrations with login data for the e-lang list, no taht each
person gets a personal invitation and it starts with the same password.
- For all the current HTML content, stick a link on the website to go to a
corresponding wiki page for discussion. Then we can extend current web
pages on the wiki, add commentary and discussion, etc.
On 11/19/06, Mark S. Miller <markm@cs.jhu.edu> wrote:
>
> James Graves wrote:
> > Whoops. If this is what you're talking about:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
>
> That is indeed what I had initially confused it with. But I understand
> now.
> Thanks.
>
>
> >> The Haskell wiki is
> >> impressive. I notice that a login is required to edit.
> >
> > I'm kind of torn about this. On the one hand, allowing anonymous edits
> > lowers further the barrier to entry, encouraging more people to edit.
> > It also makes it easier to valdalize.
> >
> > I'm thinking it would be best to allow anonymous edits (which are
> > tracked by IP address anyway) at first, and perhaps consider disabling
> > that later if it seems to be a problem.
>
> All this sounds plausible. I leave it to your judgment.
>
>
> > Works for me. I've got a couple MediaWiki sites running for my company.
> > Though I haven't done much about them lately. Though I need to upgrade
> > them anyway.
> >
> >> What wiki does www.haskell.org use?
> >
> > They're using MediaWiki...
>
> Ok, let's use MediaWiki.
>
>
> > There may be tools to help import HTML into the MediaWiki markup. If
> > you've got higher-level source (such as LaTeX) that may even better.
>
> My thesis is in LaTex and a few relevant papers, but mostly we've got
> html.
>
>
> > I haven't found many tools so far:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools#Import:_Conversion_from_other_formats
>
> Not much there. It seems a bit strange that it's so hard to import html
> into
> wikis. ;)
>
> A bit of web searching revealed
> <
> http://search.cpan.org/~diberri/HTML-WikiConverter-MediaWiki-0.55/lib/HTML/WikiConverter/MediaWiki.pm
> >
> Of course, I have no idea if it's any good.
>
>
> >>> I could potentially host a wiki, ...
> > OK, I'll try to get that going in the next couple weeks.
>
> Wonderful!
>
>
> --
> Text by me above is hereby placed in the public domain
>
> Cheers,
> --MarkM
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This would be great. A few recommendations: <br><br>- require trivial login's \
for posting. With one-time cookies, this provides a very minimal barrier to \
entry, and allows the system to tag contributions by their author. For any wiki \
with such specializaed content, I would expect the reduction in participation to be \
minimal. Also, with a relatively small community, it's too easy to miss \
cleanups if anyone can post. <br><br>- seed the registrations with login data for \
the e-lang list, no taht each person gets a personal invitation and it starts with \
the same password.<br><br>- For all the current HTML content, stick a link on the \
website to go to a corresponding wiki page for discussion. Then we can extend \
current web pages on the wiki, add commentary and discussion, etc. <br><br><div><span \
class="gmail_quote">On 11/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark S. Miller</b> \
<<a href="mailto:markm@cs.jhu.edu">markm@cs.jhu.edu</a>> \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> James Graves \
wrote:<br>> Whoops. If this is what you're talking \
about:<br>><br>> <a \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window</a><br>
<br>That is indeed what I had initially confused it with. But I understand \
now.<br>Thanks.<br><br><br>>> The Haskell wiki is<br>>> impressive. I \
notice that a login is required to edit.<br>><br>> I'm kind of torn about \
this. On the one hand, allowing anonymous edits <br>> lowers further \
the barrier to entry, encouraging more people to edit.<br>> It also makes it \
easier to valdalize.<br>><br>> I'm thinking it would be best to allow anonymous \
edits (which are<br>> tracked by IP address anyway) at first, and perhaps consider \
disabling <br>> that later if it seems to be a problem.<br><br>All this sounds \
plausible. I leave it to your judgment.<br><br><br>> Works for me. I've \
got a couple MediaWiki sites running for my company.<br>> Though I haven't done \
much about them lately. Though I need to upgrade <br>> them \
anyway.<br>><br>>> What wiki does <a \
href="http://www.haskell.org">www.haskell.org</a> use?<br>><br>> They're using \
MediaWiki...<br><br>Ok, let's use MediaWiki.<br><br><br>> There may be tools to \
help import HTML into the MediaWiki markup. If <br>> you've got \
higher-level source (such as LaTeX) that may even better.<br><br>My thesis is in \
LaTex and a few relevant papers, but mostly we've got html.<br><br><br>> I haven't \
found many tools so far:<br>><br> > <a \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools#Import:_Conversion_from_other_forma \
ts">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools#Import:_Conversion_from_other_formats</a><br><br>Not \
much there. It seems a bit strange that it's so hard to import html into <br>wikis. \
;)<br><br>A bit of web searching revealed<br><<a \
href="http://search.cpan.org/~diberri/HTML-WikiConverter-MediaWiki-0.55/lib/HTML/WikiC \
onverter/MediaWiki.pm">http://search.cpan.org/~diberri/HTML-WikiConverter-MediaWiki-0.55/lib/HTML/WikiConverter/MediaWiki.pm
</a>><br>Of course, I have no idea if it's any good.<br><br><br>>>> I \
could potentially host a wiki, ...<br>> OK, I'll try to get that going in the next \
couple weeks.<br><br>Wonderful!<br><br><br>--<br>Text by me above is hereby placed in \
the public domain <br><br> \
Cheers,<br> \
--MarkM<br>_______________________________________________<br>e-lang mailing \
list<br><a href="mailto:e-lang@mail.eros-os.org">e-lang@mail.eros-os.org</a><br><a \
href="http://www.eros-os.org/mailman/listinfo/e-lang"> \
http://www.eros-os.org/mailman/listinfo/e-lang</a><br></blockquote></div><br>
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