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List:       dns-operations
Subject:    Re: [dns-operations] in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
From:       abang () t-ipnet ! net
Date:       2019-01-09 17:10:24
Message-ID: A43C2093-3A78-4176-AD43-E6B71258A3B9 () t-ipnet ! net
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Hypothesis:
Large network scans or ddos attacks against cloud provider could cause that. \
Firewalls and also "personal" firewalls of consumer  broadband connections tries to \
resolve the PTR RRs for logging or analysis purposes.

Winfried



Am 9. Januar 2019 15:40:28 MEZ schrieb "MONROE, JEREMY" <jm9386@att.com>:
> To clarify – We are seeing the spikes in PTR/in-addr.arpa lookups on
> domains we are authoritative for in the ISP arena – recurring on 16
> hour intervals.  I've received reports that at least one other ISP has
> noticed the same thing.
> 
> Jeremy Monroe
> Q Me qto://talk/jm9386
> Senior - IT Network Design
> Enterprise IP Services Support
> AT&T Services Inc – Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops
> Intranet: http://eiss.it.att.com<http://eiss.it.att.com/>
> http://eiss-dns.it.att.com<http://eiss-dns.it.att.com/>
> 573 204 5463 Skype/office
> 314 235 8168 (AT&T Domains voice mailbox)
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> From: Hellqvist, Björn <bjorn.hellqvist@teliacompany.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 02:40
> To: MONROE, JEREMY <jm9386@att.com>; dns-operations@dns-oarc.net;
> ask-rssac@icann.org
> Subject: RE: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have also noticed similar bursts in the past. Maybe not at those
> rates, but significantly larger than normal. In the magnitude of 10-20x
> of normal traffic, and only from a small amount of sources.
> 
> The main IP's at the time was AWS servers. My conclusion at the time
> was that some sites did reverse lookups without using a caching
> resolver. I might have reached out to Amazon, but I can't remember. It
> was a couple of years ago.
> 
> I also saw some of the larger Swedish web hosting companies at that
> time, which I did reach out to.
> 
> Since the traffic was no threat of overloading our authoritative
> servers, I let them pass.
> 
> Have not looked at it for a while though.
> 
> BR,
> Bjorn Hellqvist
> Senior System Expert (Internet, DNS & Automation)
> Telia Company
> Solna, Sweden
> 
> 
> 
> From: dns-operations [mailto:dns-operations-bounces@dns-oarc.net] On
> Behalf Of MONROE, JEREMY
> Sent: den 22 december 2018 16:35
> To: dns-operations@dns-oarc.net<mailto:dns-operations@dns-oarc.net>;
> ask-rssac@icann.org<mailto:ask-rssac@icann.org>
> Subject: [dns-operations] in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> Please see below – AT&T has received bursts in PTR queries as described
> below – has anyone hear seen similar behavior recently?  This first
> occurred in March of 2018 – subsided and began again here in December.
> 
> Jeremy Monroe
> Q Me qto://talk/jm9386
> Senior - IT Network Design
> Enterprise IP Services Support
> AT&T Services Inc – Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops
> Intranet: http://eiss.it.att.com<http://eiss.it.att.com/>
> http://eiss-dns.it.att.com<http://eiss-dns.it.att.com/>
> 573 204 5463 Skype/office
> 314 235 8168 (AT&T Domains voice mailbox)
> 3146508345@txt.att.net<mailto:3146508345@txt.att.net> Pager
> 314 650 8345 Cell
> "I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is to
> try and please everyone"
> 
> "This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of
> at&t, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the
> individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not
> one of the named recipient or otherwise have reason to believe that you
> have received this message in error, please notify the sender at
> [jm9386@att.com or 314 235 8168] and delete this message immediately
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> forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly
> prohibited."
> 
> From: Wessels, Duane
> <dwessels@verisign.com<mailto:dwessels@verisign.com>>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 16:05
> To: MONROE, JEREMY <jm9386@att.com<mailto:jm9386@att.com>>
> Subject: Re: RE: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> Yeah that's an odd one.  If the IPs are real (not spoofed) and you see
> queries that you are authoritative for, then it would point to
> something generating large amounts of queries through legitimate
> recursives.
> 
> We asked our root server colleagues they saw anything like that.  Only
> one responded so far, and said (like us) they did not.
> 
> As you may know, root servers typically handle in the range of 50k q/s
> these days.  The 200-400k that you observe would definitely be
> noticeable.
> 
> Currently the only reasonable way you could reach all the root
> operators is to send email to
> ask-rssac@icann.org<mailto:ask-rssac@icann.org>.  Someone would receive
> it and then forward it to the operators.  Given the timing with
> holidays I wouldn't hold your breath.
> 
> You might also consider posting to the
> dns-operations@dns-oarc.net<mailto:dns-operations@dns-oarc.net> mailing
> list to reach other DNS operators more broadly.
> 
> DW
> 
> 
> From: "MONROE, JEREMY" <jm9386@att.com<mailto:jm9386@att.com>>
> Date: Friday, December 21, 2018 at 1:48 PM
> To: Duane Wessels <dwessels@verisign.com<mailto:dwessels@verisign.com>>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> We are seeing short bursts of PTR query traffic.  Sources seem to be
> all open ISP resolvers scattered all over the United States.  I host a
> bunch of in-addr.arpa zones from top level delegations and each of the
> queries appears to be for legitimate PTR records that we have defined. 
> We typically receive about 7-10kpps (Packets Per Second) (not terribly
> large) and over the last week or two have received what seems like
> coordinated bursts of up and over 200-400kpps of all PTR records. 
> First observed in the United States – but today I learned our European
> based resolvers have also received similar spikes.  My assumption was
> that if a bunch of ISP resolvers began receiving PTR queries for
> recursion – that the root servers might have seen an increase in folks
> asking what DNS servers to use for certain in-addr.arpa space at AT&T. 
> We have not seen a significant number of queries for arpa's that we are
> not authoritative for – it's an odd MO.
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to reply back.  Is there any way to see
> if any of the other root-server providers have noticed anything of that
> sort?  Im really grasping at straws at this point.
> 
> Jeremy Monroe
> Q Me qto://talk/jm9386
> Senior - IT Network Design
> Enterprise IP Services Support
> AT&T Services Inc – Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops
> Intranet: http://eiss.it.att.com<http://eiss.it.att.com/>
> http://eiss-dns.it.att.com<http://eiss-dns.it.att.com/>
> 573 204 5463 Skype/office
> 314 235 8168 (AT&T Domains voice mailbox)
> 3146508345@txt.att.net<mailto:3146508345@txt.att.net> Pager
> 314 650 8345 Cell
> "I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is to
> try and please everyone"
> 
> "This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of
> at&t, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the
> individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not
> one of the named recipient or otherwise have reason to believe that you
> have received this message in error, please notify the sender at
> [jm9386@att.com or 314 235 8168] and delete this message immediately
> from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination,
> forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly
> prohibited."
> 
> From: Wessels, Duane
> <dwessels@verisign.com<mailto:dwessels@verisign.com>>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 15:37
> To: MONROE, JEREMY <jm9386@att.com<mailto:jm9386@att.com>>
> Subject: Re: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> Jeremy,
> 
> We don't see anything like that here.  You mentioned both PTR and NS
> queries.  Are you seeing both, or is it one or the other?
> 
> What you describe could be caused by availability issues with the lower
> levels of the DNS.  Did you notice any similarities in the names being
> queried?
> 
> DW
> 
> 
> From: "MONROE, JEREMY" <jm9386@att.com<mailto:jm9386@att.com>>
> Date: Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:52 AM
> To: rootdns <rootdns@verisign.com<mailto:rootdns@verisign.com>>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic
> 
> Hello – Im looking into a few network events where we received huge
> spikes in what appears to be valid PTR record lookups for zones to
> which we are authoritative for.  Can you confirm whether or not the
> root servers have seen similar spikes in in-addr.arpa related NS
> queries?
> 
> Jeremy Monroe
> Q Me qto://talk/jm9386
> Senior - IT Network Design
> Enterprise IP Services Support
> AT&T Services Inc – Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops
> Intranet: http://eiss.it.att.com<http://eiss.it.att.com/>
> http://eiss-dns.it.att.com<http://eiss-dns.it.att.com/>
> 573 204 5463 Skype/office
> 314 235 8168 (AT&T Domains voice mailbox)
> 3146508345@txt.att.net<mailto:3146508345@txt.att.net> Pager
> 314 650 8345 Cell
> "I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is to
> try and please everyone"
> 
> "This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of
> at&t, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the
> individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not
> one of the named recipient or otherwise have reason to believe that you
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style="tab-interval:.5in">Hypothesis:<br>Large network scans or ddos attacks against \
cloud provider could cause that. Firewalls and also "personal" firewalls of consumer  \
broadband connections tries to resolve the PTR RRs for logging or analysis \
purposes.<br><br>Winfried<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 9. Januar 2019 \
15:40:28 MEZ schrieb "MONROE, JEREMY" &lt;jm9386@att.com&gt;:<blockquote \
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class="SpellE">addr.arpa</span> lookups on domains we are authoritative  for in the \
ISP arena – recurring on <span class="GramE">16 hour</span> intervals.<span \
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New \
Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New \
Roman&quot;"> Hellqvist, Björn &lt;bjorn.hellqvist@teliacompany.com&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 07, 2019 02:40<br>
<b>To:</b> MONROE, JEREMY &lt;jm9386@att.com&gt;; dns-operations@dns-oarc.net; \
ask-rssac@icann.org<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS \
traffic<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We have also noticed similar bursts \
in the past. Maybe not at those rates, but significantly larger than normal. In the \
magnitude of 10-20x of normal traffic, and only from a small amount of \
sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D">The main IP's at the time was AWS servers. My conclusion at the \
time was that some sites did reverse lookups without using a caching resolver. I \
might have reached out to Amazon, but I can't remember. It was  a couple of years \
ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D">I also saw some of the larger Swedish web hosting companies at \
that time, which I did reach out to. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Since the traffic was no threat of \
overloading our authoritative servers, I let them pass. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Have not looked at it for a while \
though. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV" \
style="color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:SV">BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV" style="color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:SV">Bjorn \
Hellqvist<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV" \
style="color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:SV">Senior System Expert (Internet, DNS &amp; \
Automation)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D">Telia Company<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D">Solna, Sweden<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid \
blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b>From:</b> dns-operations [<a \
href="mailto:dns-operations-bounces@dns-oarc.net">mailto:dns-operations-bounces@dns-oarc.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>MONROE, JEREMY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 22 december 2018 16:35<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dns-operations@dns-oarc.net">dns-operations@dns-oarc.net</a>;
 <a href="mailto:ask-rssac@icann.org">ask-rssac@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [dns-operations] in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please see below – AT&amp;T has received bursts in PTR queries \
as described below – has anyone hear seen similar behavior recently?&nbsp; This \
first occurred in March of 2018 – subsided and began again here in \
December.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;">Jeremy Monroe<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span \
lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language:EN">Q Me </span> </i><i><span lang="EN" \
style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;mso-ansi-language:EN"><a \
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</span></a></span><b><u><span style="color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></u></b></i></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal">Senior - IT Network Design<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;;color:maroon">Enterprise IP Services Support<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">AT&amp;T Services Inc \
– Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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New&quot;;color:maroon">Intranet:</span> </b><b><span \
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;;color:purple">573 204 5463 Skype/office<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;;color:purple">314 235 8168 (AT&amp;T Domains voice \
mailbox)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:red"><a \
href="mailto:3146508345@txt.att.net"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New \
Roman&quot;,serif;color:blue">3146508345@txt.att.net</span></a> Pager</span></b> \
<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">314 650 8345 Cell<br>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00CC33">&quot;I \
don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is to try and please \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b>From:</b> Wessels, Duane &lt;<a \
href="mailto:dwessels@verisign.com">dwessels@verisign.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 21, 2018 16:05<br>
<b>To:</b> MONROE, JEREMY &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jm9386@att.com">jm9386@att.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: RE: \
in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah that's an odd one.&nbsp; If the IPs are real (not spoofed) \
and you see queries that you are authoritative for, then it would point to something \
generating large amounts of queries through legitimate recursives.&nbsp; \
<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We asked our root server colleagues they saw anything like \
that.&nbsp; Only one responded so far, and said (like us) they did \
not.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you may know, root servers typically handle in the range of \
50k q/s these days.&nbsp; The 200-400k that you observe would definitely be \
noticeable.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Currently the only reasonable way you could reach all the root \
operators is to send email to <a \
href="mailto:ask-rssac@icann.org">ask-rssac@icann.org</a>.&nbsp; Someone would \
receive it and then forward it to the operators.&nbsp; Given the timing with holidays \
I wouldn't hold your breath.<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">You might also consider \
posting to the <a href="mailto:dns-operations@dns-oarc.net"> \
dns-operations@dns-oarc.net</a> mailing list to reach other DNS operators more \
broadly.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">DW<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&quot;MONROE, JEREMY&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jm9386@att.com">jm9386@att.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Date: </b>Friday, December \
21, 2018 at 1:48 PM<br> <b>To: </b>Duane Wessels &lt;<a \
href="mailto:dwessels@verisign.com">dwessels@verisign.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject: \
</b>[EXTERNAL] RE: in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are seeing short bursts of PTR query traffic.&nbsp; Sources \
seem to be all open ISP resolvers scattered all over the United States.&nbsp; I host \
a bunch of in-addr.arpa zones from top level delegations and each of the queries \
appears to be for  legitimate PTR records that we have defined.&nbsp; We typically \
receive about 7-10kpps (Packets Per Second) (not terribly large) and over the last \
week or two have received what seems like coordinated bursts of up and over \
200-400kpps of all PTR records.&nbsp; First  observed in the United States – but \
today I learned our European based resolvers have also received similar spikes.&nbsp; \
My assumption was that if a bunch of ISP resolvers began receiving PTR queries for \
recursion – that the root servers might have seen an increase  in folks asking what \
DNS servers to use for certain in-addr.arpa space at AT&amp;T.&nbsp; We have not seen \
a significant number of queries for arpa's that we are not authoritative for – it's \
an odd MO.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for taking the time to reply back.&nbsp; Is there any \
way to see if any of the other root-server providers have noticed anything of that \
sort?&nbsp; Im really grasping at straws at this point.<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;">Jeremy Monroe</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span \
lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language:EN">Q Me </span> </i><i><span lang="EN" \
style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;mso-ansi-language:EN"><a \
href="qto://talk/jm9386"><span style="color:blue">qto://talk/jm9386 \
</span></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Senior - IT Network \
Design<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:maroon">Enterprise \
IP Services Support</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">AT&amp;T Services Inc \
– Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b>From:</b> Wessels, Duane &lt;<a \
href="mailto:dwessels@verisign.com">dwessels@verisign.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 21, 2018 15:37<br>
<b>To:</b> MONROE, JEREMY &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jm9386@att.com">jm9386@att.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: \
in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We don't see anything like that here.&nbsp; You mentioned both \
PTR and NS queries.&nbsp; Are you seeing both, or is it one or the other?&nbsp; \
<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What you describe could be caused by availability issues with \
the lower levels of the DNS.&nbsp; Did you notice any similarities in the names being \
queried?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">DW<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&quot;MONROE, JEREMY&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jm9386@att.com">jm9386@att.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Date: </b>Friday, December \
21, 2018 at 7:52 AM<br> <b>To: </b>rootdns &lt;<a \
href="mailto:rootdns@verisign.com">rootdns@verisign.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject: \
</b>[EXTERNAL] in-addr.arpa spikes in DNS traffic</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello – Im looking into a few network events where we received \
huge spikes in what appears to be valid PTR record lookups for zones to which we are \
authoritative for.&nbsp; Can you confirm whether or not the root servers have seen \
similar spikes  in in-addr.arpa related NS queries?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;">Jeremy Monroe</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span \
lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language:EN">Q Me </span> </i><i><span lang="EN" \
style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;mso-ansi-language:EN"><a \
href="qto://talk/jm9386"><span style="color:blue">qto://talk/jm9386 \
</span></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Senior - IT Network \
Design<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:maroon">Enterprise \
IP Services Support</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">AT&amp;T Services Inc \
– Network Cloud and Infrastructure Ops</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier \
New&quot;;color:maroon">Intranet:</span> </b><b><span \
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