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Subject:    Re: [DNG] runit 2.1.2-54+usrmerge: usrmerge becoming mandatory for Devuan?
From:       onefang <onefang_devuan () sledjhamr ! org>
Date:       2023-11-27 23:37:16
Message-ID: 20231127233716.7u6c3zq7dqzd5kbh () sc ! homelinuxserver ! org
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On 2023-11-27 20:10:30, Lorenz via Dng wrote:
>    Il giorno lun 27 nov 2023 alle ore 19:29 Svante Signell
>    <svante.signell@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> =

>      On Mon, 2023-11-27 at 02:24 +0100, Lorenz via Dng wrote:
>      > >
>      >
>      > Let me try to better explain this:
>      > Mitigation M2 in https://subdivi.de/~helmut/dep17.html
>      > means that *every deb package* is about to ship files directly in
>      > /usr/bin instead of /bin, or directly in /usr/lib instead of /lib =
and
>      > so on.. An unmerged system will end up *without* /bin/sh,
>      > /sbin/init,=A0/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (on amd64) just to make =
few
>      > relevant examples. At the end of the process (expected around March
>      > 2024) an unmerged system will have /bin, /lib, /sbin directories
>      > empty: but I doubt the system will be able to perform upgrades to
>      > that point. This move is *mandatory* for every Debian package, so
>      > until some derivative starts to support unmerged layout by forking
>      > 500/1000 packages (or by some other means) the unmerged layout will
>      > be broken.
> =

>      Are you really sure about this? I've seen no reports so far about a
>      system being broken by an upgrade. I'll try this on a small qemu ima=
ge
>      when time permits.
> =

>    It's not broken *now* but it will be soon: the point of printing the
>    message
>    was exactly to avoid breaking systems, so the message is now, the comp=
ete
>    breakage will be no later than spring 2024. but I don't guarantee that=
 it

I'm guessing you mean spring in the northen hemisphere, coz usually those
of us in the south don't make that mistake of assuming everyone else is
in the north and using ambigous terms like "spring 2024".

-- =

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coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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