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Subject: Re: dia-list Digest, Vol 88, Issue 3
From: Tech Support Department <tech () frontrowcomputer ! com>
Date: 2011-08-03 1:41:39
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Steffen,
The number I found on my Arch system is version dia-0.97.1-4. Does this help? What is the latest?
Thanks.
On 08/02/2011 08:17 PM, dia-list-request@gnome.org wrote:
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> 1. re. Negative Space (Tech Support Department)
> 2. Re: Adding a New Diagram type (Arigead)
> 3. Re: re. Negative Space (Steffen Macke)
> 4. Re: re. Negative Space (Michael Ross)
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> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:36:04 -0400
> From: Tech Support Department<tech@frontrowcomputer.com>
> To: dia-list@gnome.org
> Subject: re. Negative Space
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> Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that only the space between the main
> lines was printed because that's where the page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page
> breaking before the zero line, and that will print out as well?
>
>
> On 08/02/2011 08:00 AM, dia-list-request@gnome.org wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Bugzilla animation. (Steffen Macke)
>> 2. Re: Canvas2 (Tech Support Department)
>> 3. Negative Space (Tech Support Department)
>> 4. Re: Negative Space (Steffen Macke)
>> 5. Re: Bugzilla animation. (Michael Ross)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:59:25 +0200
>> From: Steffen Macke<dia@diagramr.biz>
>> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
>> <dia-list@gnome.org>
>> Subject: Re: Bugzilla animation.
>> Message-ID:<4E36CD5D.8050301@diagramr.biz>
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>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> On 07/31/2011 07:01 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
>>> I was looking for the animation of historical changes to Dia made from
>>> Bugzilla and posted here a year or to ago, but I can't seem to formulate a
>>> search that retrieves it.
>> I can't remember such an animation made from Bugzilla data. But maybe
>> you're referring to the video created from Git data. It's available on
>>
>> http://dia-installer.de/community/authors.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:21:45 -0400
>> From: Tech Support Department<tech@frontrowcomputer.com>
>> To: dia-list@gnome.org
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>> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:23:17 -0400
>> From: Tech Support Department<tech@frontrowcomputer.com>
>> To: dia-list@gnome.org
>> Subject: Negative Space
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:05:01 +0200
>> From: Steffen Macke<dia@diagramr.biz>
>> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
>> <dia-list@gnome.org>
>> Subject: Re: Negative Space
>> Message-ID:<4E36DCBD.5020209@diagramr.biz>
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 08/01/2011 06:23 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
>>> Is there any official explanation of the negative space in the canvas area? I am
>>> referring to the area to the left and above the zero points. Thanks.
>> Is there any problem with the "negative space" ? You can use it for your
>> drawings, just as you can
>> use the "positive space". For Dia it doesn't matter if your coordinates
>> are prefixed with a "-".
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:01:11 -0400
>> From: Michael Ross<michael.e.ross@gmail.com>
>> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
>> <dia-list@gnome.org>
>> Subject: Re: Bugzilla animation.
>> Message-ID:
>> <CANNQeoLjvzWsDpoj41TV773dMbsLyz4yuh5zLc7F_oErUvkTag@mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Exactly, thanks!
>>
>> I mis-remembered what it came from.
>>
>> This is a great thing for new people to review - helps understand the
>> shoulders they stand on when they use/misuse Dia.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Steffen Macke<dia@diagramr.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/31/2011 07:01 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was looking for the animation of historical changes to Dia made from
>>>> Bugzilla and posted here a year or to ago, but I can't seem to formulate a
>>>> search that retrieves it.
>>>>
>>> I can't remember such an animation made from Bugzilla data. But maybe
>>> you're referring to the video created from Git data. It's available on
>>>
>>> http://dia-installer.de/**community/authors.html<http://dia-installer.de/community/authors.html>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steffen
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:56:52 +0100
> From: Arigead<arigead@gmail.com>
> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
> <dia-list@gnome.org>
> Subject: Re: Adding a New Diagram type
> Message-ID:<201108021656.52799.arigead@gmail.com>
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> On Saturday 30 Jul 2011 01:59:45 Ron Wilson wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:00 AM,<dia-list-request@gnome.org> wrote:
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:06:36 +0100
>>> From: Arigead<arigead@gmail.com>
>>> To: dia-list@gnome.org
>>> Subject: Adding a New Diagram type
>>> Message-ID:<201107291206.36697.arigead@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I'm new here and haven't lurked, as yet, but wanted to ask a question
>>> about adding a new diagram type to Dia. I'm not sure where to start but
>>> wanted to make structured diagrams like an electronic schematic where
>>> the interconnections are significant.
>>>
>>> I assume I have to add a new plugin? and add my XML components.
>>
>> Not so difficult as that. See: http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Documentation
>
> Thanks for that I'm looking into that documentation and will hopefuly get back
> with a more specific question. I'd done a search for Dia and found the
> Subversion repo so your link is obviously more up to date then the ones I
> found.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:09:50 +0200
> From: Steffen Macke<dia@diagramr.biz>
> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
> <dia-list@gnome.org>
> Subject: Re: re. Negative Space
> Message-ID:<4E38214E.2000106@diagramr.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> On 08/02/2011 05:36 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
>> Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that
>> only the space between the main lines was printed because that's where
>> the page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page breaking
>> before the zero line, and that will print out as well?
> Which Dia version are you referring to? Note that e.g. Dia master has at
> least one pagination bug fix
> compared to Dia 0.97.1.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steffen
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:16:19 -0400
> From: Michael Ross<michael.e.ross@gmail.com>
> To: discussions about usage and development of dia
> <dia-list@gnome.org>
> Subject: Re: re. Negative Space
> Message-ID:
> <CANNQeo+chLw2mZUJo6wLw8LK7QKVN_7e=aPFQT2sfcXzM-zLvg@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> TSD,
>
> You are making more of this than is necessary.
>
> The diagram origin where x and y are 0 is essentially arbitrary. You do not
> need to concern yourself with it. If you draw in the negative space as you
> call it you will be crossing page breaks and for Dia to print it will have
> to print a page wherever you have drawn things. It is not a problem as far
> as I know - draw wherever you like. There is no importance to the origin
> that I know of. If you like you can always draw with positive numbers on
> the ruler, that will work too.
>
> If you want all your work to be on on single pages, then never cross a page
> break line and arrange your work on adjacent pages within the marked areas.
> (You can draw right up to the page breaks because the margins will be added
> when you print.) If you want to draw north and south, east and west of the
> first page it will make no difference - except maybe the pagination will be
> unknown until you try it. (I have never experimented with the pagination,
> and it sounds like there may be some odd behavior.)
>
> But if you cross a page break line Dia will have to put the work on two
> pages when it is time to print.
>
>
> Here is the drill.
>
> Start a Dia and set up how you want the pages - paper size, landscape or
> portrait, and how much margin you want to show on the printed page.
>
> The page breaks will be at the dimensions of the printed area you have
> described.
>
> Zoom in to a single page and start drawing. If you want it all on one page
> - a normal thing to want, then don't draw across the page break lines.
>
> If you want a little more room, you can revisit the page set up and change
> the scale. A smaller scale means what you have drawn will be scaled smaller
> relative the the page size.
>
> If you didn't take up the whole page then you can scale the drawing up to
> better fill the page.
>
>
> Suppose you have given up on the idea of all the Dia on one single letter
> size page. You can choose a larger page size - say B size which is two
> portrait letter pages side by side.
> You just change it and the page breaks are reconfigured according to the
> scale and margins you have set. Your Dia will probably not be
> in exactly the placement you like so you move things around in the B size
> printed area (margins not shown), don't cross the page breaks and it will
> all print out on one B size page.
>
> Suppose you now have a Dia that is huge or so detailed that it will be hard
> to read. Now you can simply scale it to fit over as many pages you want -
> without any regard to the numbers on the ruler. When you print Dia will
> break it up into the exact pages shown by the page breaks. The printed
> pages will have the material from within the page breaks outlined by the
> exact margins you specified. If your printer will do it you could probably
> have no margins at all. But forget that, it you print this huge Dia that
> covers many pages you can simple take your transparent tape or glue stick
> and piece all the individual pages together into a single poster.
>
> This is all very interesting, but it never really comes up for the work I do
> with Dia. For a project I may draw all over the Dia work area. The first
> page might have a graph from an image in another program. Then I annotate
> that, then I create a new image of a graph where the test was changed, then
> I may start to add narrative about the difference in tests. I might move
> below or above and put together a functional block diagram, to the right is
> a flow chart, there might be some more images of test apparatus or
> photographic evidence from the testing. I might have an areas that just
> contains handy shapes I have created that I want to copy elsewhere. I might
> create a layers and overlay mark ups that can be toggled on and off.
>
> I do this with no concern for how printing will turn out because I hardly
> ever use Dia for printing. I usually compose a printed page from some
> elements of the overall diagram, and do a screen dump when I like it. I
> will take that as a jpg and add it to Open Office docs, or webpages. More
> often than not I never print anything.
>
> Frequently, I take these screen dumps into Inkscape where I can create
> transparent overlays. Sometime I have to work with scanned images that are
> mishapen and I use Gimp to deform them into a rectangular shape and combine
> them in Inkscape with other visual elements, or a screen dump then back into
> Dia for annotation.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Steffen Macke<dia@diagramr.biz> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 08/02/2011 05:36 PM, Tech Support Department wrote:
>>
>>> Now you're just confusing me. I thought it was already clarified that
>>> only the space between the main lines was printed because that's where the
>>> page breaks. Are you saying that there is a partial page breaking before
>>> the zero line, and that will print out as well?
>>>
>> Which Dia version are you referring to? Note that e.g. Dia master has at
>> least one pagination bug fix
>> compared to Dia 0.97.1.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steffen
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>> Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
>>
>>
>
>
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