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Subject: Re: Firefox ESR EOL
From: Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-12-20 15:37:19
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 4:00 AM Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> wrote:
>
> On 20/12/21 5:52 pm, Curt wrote:
> > On 2021-12-18, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> >> Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Maybe I missed something. Why RISC V?
> >> Just having an alternative is attractive to some. Having an open
> >> alternative even more so.
> >>
> >> I'd happily run ARM or RISC-V, if those were an alternative for a decent
> >> desktop or laptop computer. Raspberry Pi is scratching and clawing its
> >> way there little by little. As the Pi 4 has exposed a PCIe connection,
> >> it has a viable storage now for a small system. But still slow and weird
> >> form factor. Maybe in Pi 6 or maybe 10? Who knows.
> > The 3.14159265359 is still popular.
> >
> >> RISC-V is better in the form factor part as there's a standard Mini-ITX
> >> board but the price and performance aren't there yet. Not to mention
> >> software support. I'd want an official Debian release first.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> There are a few ARM SBC that are very powerful - better than Pi 4. They
> have NVME/PCiE disk interfaces and several USB 3.0 interfaces.
>
For myself I've always been an Arduino fan over others. And I worked for
British-owned
Premier-Farnell's American property which distributes RPi's here, Newark
Element14 :-)
Helped move their datacenter :-)
Arduino's are mostly ARM-based and models like the Mega are incredibly
powerful and cheap.
Full OS's run on more advanced models, or just Arduino's open-source
runtime. Program in
their C++ environment, python, Java.... Hundreds of snap-on sensor boards
are available.
Italian-made models are on-the-shelf at certain retailers that serve the
maker-community.
I have next to me a prototype synthpad based on an Arduino Uno. 5 years ago
up at Michigan Tech
University, I saw a self-guided submarine drone that had both a Pi and
Arduino on-board. Exploring
in the university's swimming pool.
The NanoPi M4V2 is one such, but there are several competitors mostly
> using RockChip chipsets.
>
> They run Armbian and usually have integrated gigabit LAN (2.5 Gigabit
> with the right drivers) and dual band wifi and bluetooth.
>
> As a workstation they are more than adequate. As a home server they are
> more than adequate.
>
> --
> Jeremy
>
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 4:00 AM Jeremy Ardley <<a \
href="mailto:jeremy@ardley.org">jeremy@ardley.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br> On 20/12/21 5:52 \
pm, Curt wrote:<br> > On 2021-12-18, Anssi Saari <<a href="mailto:as@sci.fi" \
target="_blank">as@sci.fi</a>> wrote:<br> >> Nicholas Geovanis <<a \
href="mailto:nickgeovanis@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgeovanis@gmail.com</a>> \
writes:<br> >><br>
>>> Maybe I missed something. Why RISC V?<br>
>> Just having an alternative is attractive to some. Having an open<br>
>> alternative even more so.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd happily run ARM or RISC-V, if those were an alternative for a \
decent<br> >> desktop or laptop computer. Raspberry Pi is scratching and \
clawing its<br> >> way there little by little. As the Pi 4 has exposed a PCIe \
connection,<br> >> it has a viable storage now for a small system. But still \
slow and weird<br> >> form factor. Maybe in Pi 6 or maybe 10? Who knows.<br>
> The 3.14159265359 is still popular.<br>
><br>
>> RISC-V is better in the form factor part as there's a standard \
Mini-ITX<br> >> board but the price and performance aren't there yet. Not \
to mention<br> >> software support. I'd want an official Debian release \
first.<br> >><br>
>><br>
>><br>
There are a few ARM SBC that are very powerful - better than Pi 4. They <br>
have NVME/PCiE disk interfaces and several USB 3.0 \
interfaces.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For myself I've always been an \
Arduino fan over others. And I worked for \
British-owned</div><div>Premier-Farnell's American property which distributes \
RPi's here, Newark Element14 :-)</div><div>Helped move their datacenter :-) \
</div><div>Arduino's are mostly ARM-based and models like the Mega are incredibly \
powerful and cheap.</div><div>Full OS's run on more advanced models, or just \
Arduino's open-source runtime. Program in </div><div>their C++ environment, \
python, Java.... Hundreds of snap-on sensor boards are available. \
</div><div>Italian-made models are on-the-shelf at certain retailers that serve the \
maker-community.</div><div> </div><div>I have next to me a prototype synthpad based \
on an Arduino Uno. 5 years ago up at Michigan Tech</div><div>University, I saw a \
self-guided submarine drone that had both a Pi and Arduino on-board. \
Exploring</div><div>in the university's swimming \
pool.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> The NanoPi M4V2 is \
one such, but there are several competitors mostly <br> using RockChip chipsets.<br>
<br>
They run Armbian and usually have integrated gigabit LAN (2.5 Gigabit <br>
with the right drivers) and dual band wifi and bluetooth.<br>
<br>
As a workstation they are more than adequate. As a home server they are <br>
more than adequate.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Jeremy<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
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