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List:       debian-devel
Subject:    Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd
From:       Philip Hands <phil () hands ! com>
Date:       2020-02-06 16:09:54
Message-ID: 875zgj66jx.fsf () hands ! com
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Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> writes:

> Martin Steigerwald - 06.02.20, 12:26:32 CET:
>> Vincent Bernat - 06.02.20, 07:58:32 CET:
>> >  =E2=9D=A6  6 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 09:50 +11, Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@deb=
ian.org>:
>> > >> and 2) continuing to use rsyslog isn't an option if the default
>> > >> changes.>
>> > >
>> > > No. I just don't want default to change. IMHO rationale for this
>> > > is
>> > > weak but everybody keeps arguing that it would not be a big deal.
>> > > In time we will see how that goes (what could possibly go wrong?)
>> > > but why do the change in first place?
>> >
>> > To not have logs duplicated in two places.
>>
>> I solved this by removing Systemd from my systems.
>>
>> And now what?
>
> And before that I had Systemd only log to /run.
>
> Especially as I found that I did not use journalctl in my daily practice
> anyway.
>
> So why would removing rsyslog from the default install the only viable
> approach to solve duplicate logging?

Well, since we're apparently meant to be obsessed about what it is like
to accept every default, then let's assume for a moment that you are
asking about rsyslog with the maintainer supplied rsyslog.conf.

Having just installed this laptop, I can run this:

# grep -r '5590629f1f60.*delivery successful' /var/log
/var/log/mail.log:Feb  6 14:51:14 rummy dma[164f55.5590629f1f60]: delivery =
successful
/var/log/mail.info:Feb  6 14:51:14 rummy dma[164f55.5590629f1f60]: delivery=
 successful
/var/log/syslog:Feb  6 14:51:14 rummy dma[164f55.5590629f1f60]: delivery su=
ccessful

which you'll note is actually triplicating log messages by default.

HTH

Cheers, Phil.
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