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Subject: Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st
From: Neil Williams <linux () codehelp ! co ! uk>
Date: 2007-08-01 19:46:29
Message-ID: 20070801204629.d8bbd31a.linux () codehelp ! co ! uk
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:45:44 +0200
Reinhard Tartler <siretart@debian.org> wrote:
> > Precisely - just what is the benefit? I really don't think this is a
> > good idea.
>
> TBH, I think this is a very good idea. There are a lot of cases in the
> debian archive, were the package maintainer wants to express that a
> related package should really be installed by default, but is not
> really necessary in all cases.
Precisely - I am one of those cases and I don't think there are as few
users in this situation as may be envisaged.
> Moreover, in some cases it makes sense
> to uninstall that related package. Stressing the 'Recommends'
> relationship as mandated by current policy by installing them by
> default in apt it therefore a very good idea.
No, it is a very bad idea.
> > My immediate reaction is to disable recommends on all my
> > boxes. Have I got to write a script now to force this decision to be
> > undone whenever I install a new box?
>
> That's just one line in your apt.conf, as described in the original
> announcement.
And a script to implement that in every box I have to install. Again
and Again and Again and ....
You almost forcing me into maintaining a fork of apt that restores the
current behaviour from the very start.
> > If I wanted Recommends:, I'd use aptitude - I see no sense in
> > forcing this.
>
> You can turn it the other way round: If you don't want recommends,
> just turn it of, the same way as you do it with aptitude.
No - because the default is already in place in aptitude which is WHY I
don't use aptitude. If apt goes the same way, the default configuration
of each offers no choice.
By the time I get a chance to switch that option off, the installation
has added loads of JUNK that I do NOT want.
> > I tried the sample commands and apt wanted to add HALF A GIGABYTE of
> > unnecessary stuff!!! Others may consider hard disc space cheap but,
> > in truth, hard disc space is not infinite.
> >
> > Please, please, please, reconsider.
>
> Please stop whining and start contributing.
? do you think I don't contribute already ? Don't go down that road, OK?
Just don't.
> E.g. by filing bugs
> against package (and possibly NMU them) that abuse the Recommends
> relationship.
Like moving all Recommends: into Suggests?
I don't want ANY recommends installed by default - not even as udebs. I
want to make the choice about what gets installed from the very first
stage. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Recommends does NOT apply to everyone - that is Policy. What apt is now
doing is undermining Policy by removing that CHOICE to not use any
recommended packages.
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