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Subject:    Re: Socialism - nature's answer to curbing a once-great empire
From:       Steven Schear <schear.steve () gmail ! com>
Date:       2019-01-26 19:18:27
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One of the best and easily accessible historical books on the rise and fall
of the Roman Empire.  And the ebook is free!

https://mises.org/library/new-deal-old-rome-0


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 8:56 PM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net wrote:

> Socialism actshuallay has a greater purpose - to curb once great
> empires, putting the brakes on the unrestrained "democracy" or
> "soviet" dogma which is not so kindly in its imposition of itself
> upon the empire's vassals.
> 
> Rome had its legions, its entitled citizens and most importantly
> entitled soldiers.
> 
> Said soldiers received pay, to eat as they guarded the empire and
> occasionally prosecuted a war or three.
> 
> This was Rome's unsustainable entitlements program, which when
> combined with the corruption and rapid decent of "the elite", brought
> about the end of that ancient empire.
> 
> It's an age old story - "benefits" such as "protection" and
> "freedom", sold to the people in return for "your pithy tax dollars".
> 
> America as with every empire before it likewise fails to curb itself
> or to self regulate, instead increasing its despotic and corrupt
> hand of power upon its vassals or the vassals it wants (e.g.
> Venezuela today). Witness the USA's daily droning of humans to death
> (with the help of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc) and not a
> hint of a non ironic "fair trial pursuant to democracy".
> 
> Enter stage right Socialism in the sanguine spinning, hair flouncing
> Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders and a half dozen more
> socialist tax-to-the-max agents who shall maximise those social
> "Roman citizen entitlements" and thus belittle the voters, ensure
> increasing dependency (on the government) and ultimately completely
> enslaving the nation (nee empire) into le traditional black hole of
> debt servitude and economic collapse.
> 
> Thus as a happy coincidence for the rest of the world, this malignant
> socialism curtails the militant and despotic empire.
> 
> 
> 
> "Dangerous Ideas" Loom As Once Democratically Chosen,
> There's No Reversing Socialism
> 
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-25/dangerous-ideas-loom-once-democratically-chosen-theres-no-reversing-socialism
>  


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<div dir="auto">One of the best and easily accessible historical books on the rise \
and fall of the Roman Empire.   And the ebook is free!<div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><a href="https://mises.org/library/new-deal-old-rome-0">https://mises.org/library/new-deal-old-rome-0</a><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan \
25, 2019, 8:56 PM Zenaan Harkness &lt;<a \
href="mailto:zen@freedbms.net">zen@freedbms.net</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">Socialism actshuallay has a greater purpose - to curb once \
great<br> empires, putting the brakes on the unrestrained &quot;democracy&quot; \
or<br> &quot;soviet&quot; dogma which is not so kindly in its imposition of \
itself<br> upon the empire&#39;s vassals.<br>
<br>
Rome had its legions, its entitled citizens and most importantly<br>
entitled soldiers.<br>
<br>
Said soldiers received pay, to eat as they guarded the empire and<br>
occasionally prosecuted a war or three.<br>
<br>
This was Rome&#39;s unsustainable entitlements program, which when<br>
combined with the corruption and rapid decent of &quot;the elite&quot;, brought<br>
about the end of that ancient empire.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s an age old story - &quot;benefits&quot; such as &quot;protection&quot; \
and<br> &quot;freedom&quot;, sold to the people in return for &quot;your pithy tax \
dollars&quot;.<br> <br>
America as with every empire before it likewise fails to curb itself<br>
or to self regulate, instead increasing its despotic and corrupt<br>
hand of power upon its vassals or the vassals it wants (e.g.<br>
Venezuela today). Witness the USA&#39;s daily droning of humans to death<br>
(with the help of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc) and not a<br>
hint of a non ironic &quot;fair trial pursuant to democracy&quot;.<br>
<br>
Enter stage right Socialism in the sanguine spinning, hair flouncing<br>
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders and a half dozen more<br>
socialist tax-to-the-max agents who shall maximise those social<br>
&quot;Roman citizen entitlements&quot; and thus belittle the voters, ensure<br>
increasing dependency (on the government) and ultimately completely<br>
enslaving the nation (nee empire) into le traditional black hole of<br>
debt servitude and economic collapse.<br>
<br>
Thus as a happy coincidence for the rest of the world, this malignant<br>
socialism curtails the militant and despotic empire.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
  &quot;Dangerous Ideas&quot; Loom As Once Democratically Chosen,<br>
  There&#39;s No Reversing Socialism<br>
  <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-25/dangerous-ideas-loom-once-democratically-chosen-theres-no-reversing-socialism" \
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-25/dangerous-ideas-loom-once-democratically-chosen-theres-no-reversing-socialism</a><br>
 </blockquote></div>



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