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List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: The Two Towers....
From:       Greg Newby <gbnewby () ils ! unc ! edu>
Date:       2002-12-30 0:23:35
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Please label movie review postings with "spoiler" so that those
of us who haven't seen the movie yet don't mistakenly
read the plot.  Go Frodo!

(I'm joking, of course: I already saw The Two Towers.)


On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 11:40:26PM -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:
> 
> Blah blah blah wrote...
> 
> "My hunch is that the new towers will never be filled and will turn out to be a \
> business catastrophe"  
> Who gives a crap? Despite the fact that the original towers were as ugly as hell, \
> they were a giant "Fuck You" to the rest of the world and we New Yorkers loved 'em. \
> (I still say to NJ-based relatives that "All of you" conspired to knock down the \
> towers...I refuse to distinguish between bin Laden, gov Florio (or whoever), and \
> George Bush. All I know is that it was you non-New-Yorkers who did it 'cause you \
> hate us and all our cool food, culture, filth and crime.) And until I stop paying \
> taxes entirely, I might as well SEE something my tax $$$ may have been used to \
> build, as opposed to stealth buildings and giant storage "schools". (I always used \
> the same argument to support the superconducting supercollider....) 
> 
> 
> 
> "oops, I said "business," when in fact it is the Port Authority, a weird melange of \
> jurisdictions which is probably constitutionally invalid)."  
> The PA is certainly one of the more lecherous groups in these parts, including the \
> mob. They were supposed to dissappear after the tolls paid for roads and bridges to \
> be built. But using that ole' loophole (something to do with refinancing), they've \
> maintained their incpometant and corrupt stranglehold on most of our major \
> thoroughfares for lo these many years (increasing the pollution like crazy, too). 
> 
> 
> "I wasn't sorry to see those Bauhaus boxes go."
> 
> Bauhaus? I guess. More like that 70s warmed over post-Bauhaus fascist crapola. \
> Nobody in NYC really thought they were beautiful, but we do miss 'em (see above!). 
> And Peter Trei wrote...
> 
> "One thing I liked in particular was that most of the designs 
> weren't afraid to go high into the sky this time around. Building 
> high is an expression of confidence."
> 
> This I more or less agree with. And it's not a government thing, not a business \
> thing, just a New York thing. We need replacement towers for sure, and that design \
> by David Rockwell & Co (with those odd empty tower-structures) might be good. They \
> have the additional advantage of not casting such a dark shadow over downtown and \
> Brooklyn Heights.  
> 
> PT wrote...
> "The WTC was a landmark 
> for a huge part of the city; you could see it easily from most 
> of midtown and downtown." 
> 
> but Blah Blah Blah wrote...
> 
> "Hideous boxes." 
> 
> Again, you miss the point. We New Yorkers navigated by them, and when traveling out \
> in th'sticks (ie, New Jersey and west of the hudson) those ugly boxes would come \
> popping up over the horizon welcoming you home, just like your ugly ole' Mom. 
> 
> Somebody wrote, and I really don't remember or care who. Hell, let's say Tim May \
> wrote it just to piss him off... 
> "My own initiial idea was to rebuild the towers as they were, but in 
> goldtone instead of silver. Now, I'd like to be a little more respectful 
> of the pre-WTC street grid (If you weren't actually going to the WTC, 
> it was a huge obstacle to get around, either driving or on foot). But I 
> still want towers which rise far above the skyline." 
> 
> That original twisty-towers design brought forward in response to how shitty the \
> original official designs were by that Amalgamated Architects was the best design, \
> but for some reason it didn't make it into the official final round. 
> 
> "One hopes not a single fucking dime of taxpayer money will go into rebuilding \
> anything on that site. (Oh, I won't scream if $25,000 is allocated to hire that \
> Chinese architect to replicate her Vietcong wall with the names of the dead so that \
> the weepy ones can do their tracings and all. But nothing more should be spent out \
> of the taxpayer's pocket.)" 
> Like I said, you can either SEE your tax dollars build something (even if its \
> useless), or else they'll just dissappear up some buereucrats (I can never spell \
> that word) nose. Unless you pay zero taxes of course. 
> 
> "(Ayn Rand loved the Twin Towers, ironically, and typically, and disgustingly. But, \
> then, she thought cigarette smoking was a symbolic affirmation of Man's control of \
> fire and his striving to reify A or Not-A through purity of essence!" 
> A read through a couple Ayn Rand books and none of this should be suprising. As far \
> as I'm concerned she wasn't exactly von Neumann. 
> Tyler Durden


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