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Subject: Re: [Cryptography] From Nicaragua to Snowden - why no national standards should be considered in cry
From: james hughes <hughejp () me ! com>
Date: 2016-02-28 23:50:33
Message-ID: 03F490F7-47A8-4502-AA94-B9BBCFB74D28 () me ! com
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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:18 AM, ianG <iang@iang.org> wrote:
> Just as an aside... Belgians designed the algorithm, the code was written by a \
> Brazilian, the Java test rig was created by an Australian. The Dutch in Anguilla \
> did something too, can't quite recall what tho. The other 4 contenders (or 29) \
> were from many countries and spent a lot of time analysing the 5 leaders. All 5 \
> leaders were thought to be state of the art of the time.
> Seems non-national to me :)
Agree.
Maybe the point should be that AES went through a crazy hard PUBLIC gauntlet, far \
more than any other algorithm ever, including DES, before it got its "national" \
moniker. That can not be said for the other "national" algorithms. Emphasis on PUBLIC \
gauntlet.
Given that the IETF can not muster the level of scrutiny to any other algorithm that \
was spent on AES, the IETF seems to be the tail on this dog.
Be careful what you ask for. The IETF choosing some random non-national cipher could \
be the NSA's dream. Through NIST, they can mandate what they want for the military \
and banks, and read the rest.
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type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:18 AM, ianG <<a \
href="mailto:iang@iang.org" class="">iang@iang.org</a>> wrote:</div><div \
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display: inline !important;" class=""> Just as an aside... Belgians \
designed the algorithm, the code was written by a Brazilian, the Java test rig was \
created by an Australian. The Dutch in Anguilla did something too, can't quite \
recall what tho. The other 4 contenders (or 29) were from many countries and \
spent a lot of time analysing the 5 leaders. All 5 leaders were thought to be \
state of the art of the time.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: \
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; \
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class=""> Seems non-national to me :)</span></div></blockquote></div><div \
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Agree. </div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">Maybe the point should be that AES went through a crazy \
hard PUBLIC gauntlet, far more than any other algorithm ever, including DES, before \
it got its "national" moniker. That can not be said for the other "national" \
algorithms. Emphasis on PUBLIC gauntlet. </div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">Given that the IETF can not muster the level of scrutiny \
to any other algorithm that was spent on AES, the IETF seems to be the tail on this \
dog. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Be careful what you \
ask for. The IETF choosing some random non-national cipher could be the NSA's dream. \
Through NIST, they can mandate what they want for the military and banks, and read \
the rest. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br \
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