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Subject:    Re: [Cryptography] German investigation says the NSA probably didn't tap Merkel's phone after all
From:       Tom Mitchell <mitch () niftyegg ! com>
Date:       2015-04-28 23:36:49
Message-ID: CAAMy4UQY1WTCVVK63yXSq=aic_8Bb_NfD+GSnm8b9rbOE6E+dA () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com> wrote:

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Andreas Junius <andreas.junius@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I can't read that from the article you mentioned. It says "...has found
> no evidence that the tapping ever occurred. ..."
> >
> > Not finding evidence is a different matter than finding (evidence) that
> something did not happen.
> So if a newspaper runs a story saying that an anonymous informant says
> that you, Andreas Junius, personally wiretapped Angela Merkel ... we must
> believe it thereafter?  What evidence can you produce that it *didn't*
> happen?
>
> This is how conspiracy theories begin and grow.  No amount of "proof" is
> ever enough.
>

N.B.
Proving a negative is impossible and correlation is not causality.

Conspiracy & FUD are evil tools.

A crypto issue is that FUD that asserts a crypto tool has a backdoor or a
exploitable
weakness can keep a worthy tool from being used when it should be.



-- 
  T o m    M i t c h e l l

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 \
at 8:14 PM, Jerry Leichter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:leichter@lrw.com" \
target="_blank">leichter@lrw.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Andreas Junius \
&lt;<a href="mailto:andreas.junius@gmail.com">andreas.junius@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br> &gt; I can&#39;t read that from the article you mentioned. It says \
&quot;...has found no evidence that the tapping ever occurred. ...&quot;<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; Not finding evidence is a different matter than finding (evidence) that \
something did not happen.<br> </span>So if a newspaper runs a story saying that an \
anonymous informant says that you, Andreas Junius, personally wiretapped Angela \
Merkel ... we must believe it thereafter?   What evidence can you produce that it \
*didn&#39;t* happen?<br> <br>
This is how conspiracy theories begin and grow.   No amount of &quot;proof&quot; is \
ever enough.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>N.B.</div><div>Proving a negative is \
impossible and correlation is not causality.</div><div><br></div><div>Conspiracy \
&amp; FUD are evil tools.<br><br>A crypto issue is that FUD that asserts a crypto \
tool has a backdoor or a exploitable  </div><div>weakness can keep a worthy tool from \
being used when it should be.  </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- \
<br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">   T o m      M i t c h e l \
l</div></div> </div></div>


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