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From:       Gregory Poveda via clamav-users <clamav-users () lists ! clamav ! net>
Date:       2021-09-23 1:19:16
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Good Evening, 

I'm not sure what changed, but I was able to confirm it is working today. Nothing \
changed on my firewall, ACL, or QNAP config since my initial email. It does appear \
the IP did change on the database.clamav.net. Below is a snapshot of the ACL that \
dynamically updates based on the DNS address. Thanks for the help and confirming \
others had this issue. 



Thanks,
Gregory Poveda
OIT - Network Infrastructure
VBH M1D
Cell: (865) 250-0290
Office: (256) 824-7656
gap0005@uah.edu

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:00 AM, clamav-users-request@lists.clamav.net wrote:
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> 1. Re: QNAP Antivirus Updates (Paul Kosinski)
> 2. Re: QNAP Antivirus Updates (Liston, Daniel (DLISTON))
> 3. Re: QNAP Antivirus Updates (Joel Esler (jesler))
> 
> From: Paul Kosinski <clamav-users@iment.com>
> Subject: Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus Updates
> Date: September 21, 2021 at 12:52:57 PM CDT
> To: clamav-users@lists.clamav.net
> Cc: Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@fantomas.sk>
> 
> 
> "how's this different from what Joel said?"
> 
> My reading of the following (based on normal English convention)
> 
> > > 104.16.218.84
> > > 104.16.219.84  
> > That's what they are for you.  Cloudflare routes you to the closest pop to your \
> > network.  Your mileage may vary  
> 
> is that "they" refers to the IP addresses, NOT the DNS names (which hadn't even \
> been mentioned in my email at this point). 
> Thus, what I inferred from Joel's statement is that "database.clamav.net" might \
> resolve to different IPs for other users (which would be weird, given the use of \
> Anycast). So I tested it the best I could (without traveling a lot, or setting up \
> VMs in different countries). 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:21:20 +0200
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@fantomas.sk> wrote:
> 
> > > On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:17:34 +0000
> > > "Joel Esler (jesler)" <jesler@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > On Sep 20, 2021, at 13:08, Paul Kosinski via clamav-users \
> > > > > <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net> wrote: 
> > > > > These two IPs are Anycast addresses, and have been unchanged for well over \
> > > > > 2 years. (Anycast addresses don't have to change even if the physical \
> > > > > servers change, that's their point!) They are: 
> > > > > 104.16.218.84
> > > > > 104.16.219.84  
> > > > That's what they are for you.  Cloudflare routes you to the closest pop to \
> > > > your network.  Your mileage may vary  
> > 
> > On 20.09.21 20:16, Paul Kosinski via clamav-users wrote:
> > > I thought the IP addresses, being Anycast, were what are routed to the closest \
> > > POP.  
> > 
> > how's this different from what Joel said?
> > 
> > > No matter, when I resolve "database.clamav.net" via various DNS servers,
> > > using TCP to bypass the default local DNS server (as our firewall blocks
> > > outbound UDP port 53 otherwise), I always get these same two IP addresses
> > > as results (see below)  
> > 
> > yes, becaue those two IP are anycast... they are router to the nearest POP.
> > 
> > > Given that the servers at 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 are "public", and
> > > likely Anycast, while 71.243.0.12 is local Verizon/FIOS, I suppose that
> > > the Authoritative server and the public (Anycast) servers could
> > > conceivably be distributing different IP addresses depending on who is
> > > querying.  (BIND/named has become incredibly complicated these days.) But
> > > since the two IP addresses are themselves Anycast, what would be the
> > > point?  
> > 
> > the point is, not to provide different IPs via anycast DNS but to provide
> > anycast IPs via any DNS.
> > 
> > > In any case, does anyone, anywhere, get IP addresses other than
> > > 
> > > 104.16.218.84
> > > 104.16.219.84
> > > 
> > > when resolving "database.clamav.net"?  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Liston, Daniel (DLISTON)" <DLISTON@arinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus Updates
> Date: September 21, 2021 at 1:42:00 PM CDT
> To: "clamav-users@lists.clamav.net" <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net>
> 
> 
> I have already forgotten the point, but I did do some DNS 
> queries from our datacenters in LON, TYO, and NYC.  All 
> reported the same results;
> 
> Non-authoritative answer:
> database.clamav.net     canonical name = database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net.
> Name:   database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net
> Address: 104.16.218.84
> Name:   database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net
> Address: 104.16.219.84
> 
> It seems it should be safe to specify these 2 IP addresses
> in your firewall for the updates.
> 
> 
> L8r
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Joel Esler (jesler)" <jesler@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus Updates
> Date: September 21, 2021 at 2:49:27 PM CDT
> To: ClamAV users ML <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net>
> Cc: "Liston, Daniel (DLISTON)" <DLISTON@arinc.com>
> 
> 
> And… there's your answer.  Thank you all!  I think this thread is dead.
> 
> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Liston, Daniel (DLISTON) via clamav-users \
> > <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net> wrote: 
> > I have already forgotten the point, but I did do some DNS 
> > queries from our datacenters in LON, TYO, and NYC.  All 
> > reported the same results;
> > 
> > Non-authoritative answer:
> > database.clamav.net     canonical name = database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net.
> > Name:   database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net
> > Address: 104.16.218.84
> > Name:   database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net
> > Address: 104.16.219.84
> > 
> > It seems it should be safe to specify these 2 IP addresses
> > in your firewall for the updates.
> > 
> > 
> > L8r
> > Dan
> > 
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class=""><br class=""></div>I'm not sure what changed, but I was able to confirm it \
is working today. Nothing changed on my firewall, ACL, or QNAP config since my \
initial email. It does appear the IP did change on the <a \
href="http://database.clamav.net" class="">database.clamav.net</a>. Below is a \
snapshot of the ACL that dynamically updates based on the DNS address. Thanks for the \
help and confirming others had this issue.&nbsp;<div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="F0DE04E8-633C-460F-996A-388021EABAB0" \
width="643" height="122" src="cid:216ABECC-5D3C-4A59-B21F-02446D0AEEE8" \
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> <div>Thanks,<br \
class="">Gregory Poveda<br class="">OIT - Network Infrastructure<br class="">VBH \
M1D<br class="">Cell: (865) 250-0290<br class="">Office: (256) 824-7656<br \
class=""><a href="mailto:gap0005@uah.edu" class="">gap0005@uah.edu</a></div>

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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 22, 2021, at \
7:00 AM, <a href="mailto:clamav-users-request@lists.clamav.net" \
class="">clamav-users-request@lists.clamav.net</a> wrote:</div><br \
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class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br \
class="">than "Re: Contents of clamav-users digest..."<br class="">When responding, \
please don't respond with the entire Digest. &nbsp;Please trim your response.<br \
class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> &nbsp;&nbsp;1. Re: QNAP Antivirus \
Updates (Paul Kosinski)<br class=""> &nbsp;&nbsp;2. Re: QNAP Antivirus Updates \
(Liston, Daniel (DLISTON))<br class=""> &nbsp;&nbsp;3. Re: QNAP Antivirus Updates \
(Joel Esler (jesler))<br class=""><br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; \
color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" \
class="">Paul Kosinski &lt;clamav-users@iment.com&gt;<br class=""></span></div><div \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" \
class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, \
sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Subject: \
</b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, \
sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus Updates</b><br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">September 21, 2021 at 12:52:57 PM CDT<br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">clamav-users@lists.clamav.net<br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Matus UHLAR - fantomas \
&lt;uhlar@fantomas.sk&gt;<br class=""></span></div><br class=""><br class="">"how's \
this different from what Joel said?"<br class=""><br class="">My reading of the \
following (based on normal English convention)<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote \
type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> 104.16.218.84<br class=""> \
104.16.219.84 &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote>That's what they are for you. \
&nbsp;Cloudflare routes you to the closest pop to your network. &nbsp;Your mileage \
may vary &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">is that "they" refers to the IP \
addresses, NOT the DNS names (which hadn't even been mentioned in my email at this \
point).<br class=""><br class="">Thus, what I inferred from Joel's statement is that \
"database.clamav.net" might resolve to different IPs for other users (which would be \
weird, given the use of Anycast). So I tested it the best I could (without traveling \
a lot, or setting up VMs in different countries).<br class=""><br class=""><br \
class="">On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:21:20 +0200<br class="">Matus UHLAR - fantomas \
&lt;uhlar@fantomas.sk&gt; wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:17:34 +0000<br \
class="">"Joel Esler (jesler)" &lt;jesler@cisco.com&gt; wrote:<br class=""><br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 20, \
2021, at 13:08, Paul Kosinski via clamav-users &lt;clamav-users@lists.clamav.net&gt; \
wrote:<br class=""><br class="">These two IPs are Anycast addresses, and have been \
unchanged for well over 2 years. (Anycast addresses don't have to change even if the \
physical servers change, that's their point!) They are:<br class=""><br class=""> \
104.16.218.84<br class=""> 104.16.219.84 &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote>That's what \
they are for you. &nbsp;Cloudflare routes you to the closest pop to your network. \
&nbsp;Your mileage may vary &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br \
class="">On 20.09.21 20:16, Paul Kosinski via clamav-users wrote:<br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I thought the IP addresses, being Anycast, \
were what are routed to the closest POP. &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote><br \
class="">how's this different from what Joel said?<br class=""><br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">No matter, when I resolve \
"database.clamav.net" via various DNS servers,<br class="">using TCP to bypass the \
default local DNS server (as our firewall blocks<br class="">outbound UDP port 53 \
otherwise), I always get these same two IP addresses<br class="">as results (see \
below) &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">yes, becaue those two IP are \
anycast... they are router to the nearest POP.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote \
type="cite" class="">Given that the servers at 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 are \
"public", and<br class="">likely Anycast, while 71.243.0.12 is local Verizon/FIOS, I \
suppose that<br class="">the Authoritative server and the public (Anycast) servers \
could<br class="">conceivably be distributing different IP addresses depending on who \
is<br class="">querying. &nbsp;(BIND/named has become incredibly complicated these \
days.) But<br class="">since the two IP addresses are themselves Anycast, what would \
be the<br class="">point? &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">the point is, \
not to provide different IPs via anycast DNS but to provide<br class="">anycast IPs \
via any DNS.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">In any case, \
does anyone, anywhere, get IP addresses other than<br class=""><br class=""> \
104.16.218.84<br class=""> 104.16.219.84<br class=""><br class="">when resolving \
"database.clamav.net"? &nbsp;<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote><br \
class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; \
color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" \
class="">"Liston, Daniel (DLISTON)" &lt;DLISTON@arinc.com&gt;<br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus \
Updates</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: \
-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, \
1.0);" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: \
-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">September 21, \
2021 at 1:42:00 PM CDT<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; \
color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" \
class="">"clamav-users@lists.clamav.net" &lt;clamav-users@lists.clamav.net&gt;<br \
class=""></span></div><br class=""><br class="">I have already forgotten the point, \
but I did do some DNS <br class="">queries from our datacenters in LON, TYO, and NYC. \
&nbsp;All <br class="">reported the same results;<br class=""><br \
class="">Non-authoritative answer:<br class="">database.clamav.net \
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;canonical name = database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net.<br \
class="">Name: &nbsp;&nbsp;database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net<br \
class="">Address: 104.16.218.84<br class="">Name: \
&nbsp;&nbsp;database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net<br class="">Address: \
104.16.219.84<br class=""><br class="">It seems it should be safe to specify these 2 \
IP addresses<br class="">in your firewall for the updates.<br class=""><br \
class=""><br class="">L8r<br class="">Dan<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br \
class=""><br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Joel Esler (jesler)" \
&lt;jesler@cisco.com&gt;<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; \
color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span \
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" \
class=""><b class="">Re: [clamav-users] QNAP Antivirus Updates</b><br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">September 21, 2021 at 2:49:27 PM CDT<br \
class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, \
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b \
class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica \
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">ClamAV users ML \
&lt;clamav-users@lists.clamav.net&gt;<br class=""></span></div><div \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" \
class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, \
sans-serif; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Cc: \
</b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, \
sans-serif;" class="">"Liston, Daniel (DLISTON)" &lt;DLISTON@arinc.com&gt;<br \
class=""></span></div><br class=""><br class="">And… there's your answer. \
&nbsp;Thank you all! &nbsp;I think this thread is dead.<br class=""><br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Liston, Daniel \
(DLISTON) via clamav-users &lt;clamav-users@lists.clamav.net&gt; wrote:<br \
class=""><br class="">I have already forgotten the point, but I did do some DNS <br \
class="">queries from our datacenters in LON, TYO, and NYC. &nbsp;All <br \
class="">reported the same results;<br class=""><br class="">Non-authoritative \
answer:<br class="">database.clamav.net &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;canonical name = \
database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net.<br class="">Name: \
&nbsp;&nbsp;database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net<br class="">Address: \
104.16.218.84<br class="">Name: &nbsp;&nbsp;database.clamav.net.cdn.cloudflare.net<br \
class="">Address: 104.16.219.84<br class=""><br class="">It seems it should be safe \
to specify these 2 IP addresses<br class="">in your firewall for the updates.<br \
class=""><br class=""><br class="">L8r<br class="">Dan<br class=""><br \
class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br \
class="">clamav-users mailing list<br class="">clamav-users@lists.clamav.net<br \
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class=""><br class="">Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide:<br \
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