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Subject:    Re: [cisco-voip] Duplicate ipaddress space and vlans on separate vSwitches on same ESXi host
From:       Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio () uoguelph ! ca>
Date:       2017-12-14 17:32:47
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Thanks for following up!
From: Gentoo [mailto:gentoo@ucpenguin.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca>
Cc: Mike King <me@mpking.com>; cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Duplicate ipaddress space and vlans on separate vSwitches \
on same ESXi host

You can have the same VLAN ID on different switches without issue.

This works fine:

Switch A has vlan 100 and 200 and NIC A is trunking VLANs 100 and 200 to Switch A.

Switch B has vlan 100 and 200 and NIC B is trunking VLANs 100 and 200 to Switch B.

As long as those are truly different/isolated Vlans outside of vmware you wont have \
an issue.  Just make sure you name them well, so you know which vlan 100 is A/B or \
even C.

On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:33, Lelio Fulgenzi \
<lelio@uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca>> wrote: Yeah – that was a question I \
did have. Whether or not it would get confused with the same VLAN tagging but to \
different switches.

But I would suspect that it would still keep the traffic separate since they are \
separate switches.

I might open a TAC case for this one. I don't like doing that for technical design \
issues, but I might not have any other avenue to confirm.

Other than try. 😉

From: michael.p.king@gmail.com<mailto:michael.p.king@gmail.com> \
                [mailto:michael.p.king@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mike King
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list \
                <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Duplicate ipaddress space and vlans on separate vSwitches \
on same ESXi host

Lelio,

Yes with a caveat.

You have to ensure that you don't cross pollinate  (Allow both VLANs to see each \
other).  But yes, this is pretty standard stuff.

I don't think you can do Trunking on in VMware if your trying to do this.  (Carry \
multiple VLANs) since I think VMware will get confused which NIC has which VLAN.

This was via a google search, but it should give you the idea....

<image001.png>

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi \
<lelio@uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Just following up on a conversation about online/offline networks and making things \
work on an esxi host.

I've now had a bit more experience with virtual environments, and as far as I can \
tell, there should be no issue creating a second (or third) vSwitch, assigning it \
vmnics connected to the offline network and building networks with the same VLAN \
information carried over the offline trunk that is carried over the production trunk.

Guests would be assigned to one vswitch or the other. Not both.

Have I got it all wrong?

Sent from my iPad
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for following up! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gentoo [mailto:gentoo@ucpenguin.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi &lt;lelio@uoguelph.ca&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike King &lt;me@mpking.com&gt;; cisco-voip voyp list \
&lt;cisco-voip@puck.nether.net&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Duplicate \
ipaddress space and vlans on separate vSwitches on same ESXi host<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can have the same VLAN ID on different switches without \
issue.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This works fine:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Switch A has vlan 100 and 200 and NIC A is trunking VLANs 100 \
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<p class="MsoNormal">Switch B has vlan 100 and 200 and NIC B is trunking VLANs 100 \
and 200 to Switch B.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As long as those are truly different/isolated Vlans outside of \
vmware you wont have an issue. &nbsp;Just make sure you name them well, so you know \
which vlan 100 is A/B or even C.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:33, Lelio Fulgenzi &lt;<a \
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah – that was a question I did have. Whether or not it would \
get confused with the same VLAN tagging but to different switches. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But I would suspect that it would still keep the traffic \
separate since they are separate switches. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I might open a TAC case for this one. I don't like doing that \
for technical design issues, but I might not have any other avenue to \
confirm.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Other than try. <span style="font-family:&quot;Segoe UI \
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a \
href="mailto:michael.p.king@gmail.com">michael.p.king@gmail.com</a> [<a \
href="mailto:michael.p.king@gmail.com">mailto:michael.p.king@gmail.com</a>] <b>On \
Behalf Of </b>Mike King<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi &lt;<a \
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>&gt;<br> <b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip \
voyp list &lt;<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>&gt;<br>
 <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Duplicate ipaddress space and vlans on separate \
vSwitches on same ESXi host<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes with a caveat.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You have to ensure that you don't cross pollinate&nbsp; (Allow \
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stuff.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think you can do Trunking on in VMware if your trying to \
do this.&nbsp; (Carry multiple VLANs) since I think VMware will get confused which \
NIC has which VLAN.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was via a google search, but it should give you the \
idea....<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi &lt;<a \
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class="MsoNormal"><br> Just following up on a conversation about online/offline \
networks and making things work on an esxi host.<br> <br>
I've now had a bit more experience with virtual environments, and as far as I can \
tell, there should be no issue creating a second (or third) vSwitch, assigning it \
vmnics connected to the offline network and building networks with the same VLAN \
information  carried over the offline trunk that is carried over the production \
trunk.<br> <br>
Guests would be assigned to one vswitch or the other. Not both.<br>
<br>
Have I got it all wrong?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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