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Subject:    Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating a Cisco 2901 to a Cisco 4321
From:       Matthew Collins <mcollins () block ! co ! uk>
Date:       2017-05-15 12:39:31
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Unrelated to DSP but check out

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/field-notices/641/fn64190.html

Router shows up as 98% memory utilisation when running IOS XE 3.X

Regards

Matthew Collins

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Huff
Sent: 12 May 2017 21:21
To: NateCCIE <nateccie@gmail.com>
Cc: Cisco VOIP <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating a Cisco 2901 to a Cisco 4321

What I am trying to express, although perhaps worded ambiguously, is that all your \
TDM resources are on the NIM and that I don't believe you could share the DSP from \
the backplane along with the NIM resources, for the purposes of TDM.

I would agree that you are correct, in that any unallocated DSP on a NIM could be \
configured for other dspfarm tasks (Ex. Transcoding/Transrating, Hardware MTP .. \
etc).

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/routers/4000-series-integrated-services-routers/118792-config-isr-00.html


Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2017, at 4:03 PM, NateCCIE <nateccie@gmail.com<mailto:nateccie@gmail.com>> \
wrote: What do mean by shareable to the backplane?  It is my understanding that \
unused DSPs on a NIM can be used for conferencing/transcoding/MTP.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Ryan Huff \
<ryanhuff@outlook.com<mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com>> wrote: I think that is where my \
lack of specificity comes into play; the NIM conversation I thought I was \
participating in was an extension of a convo this AM, regarding a T1 PRI, in which \
those DSP are reserved for TDM only, and not shareable to the backplane or vice a \
versa.

Thanks,

Ryan

On May 12, 2017, at 3:46 PM, NateCCIE <nateccie@gmail.com<mailto:nateccie@gmail.com>> \
wrote: TDM DSPs on the 4ks have to be on the NIM because there is no shared TDM \
clocking backplane like there is on the ISRs/ISR G2.

Dspfarm stuff can use extra dsps on a NIM and the motherboard DSPs can only be used \
for dspfarm tasks.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Jose Colon II \
<jcolon424@gmail.com<mailto:jcolon424@gmail.com>> wrote: I was under the same \
assumption of why there was a dsp slot on the NIM. I know I read a Cisco doc \
somewhere that lead me that direction.

On May 12, 2017 2:28 PM, "Ryan Huff" \
<ryanhuff@outlook.com<mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com>> wrote: So this is interesting; I \
was under the impression the backplane DSP could not extend to the NIM (and is the \
fundamental reason, among others, that the NIM has its own DSP) .... looks like I \
have a new lab task :).

On May 12, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Anthony Holloway \
<avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com<mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com>> wrote: \
                Rashmi Patel ( \
                rashmika.patel@zones.com<mailto:rashmika.patel@zones.com> ) - 12:31 \
                PM
Q: Does that mean conference resource will be used from NIM DSP not from mother board \
                DSP resources
Priority: N/A
Dolan Spitler - 12:57 PM
A: When it comes to IP services (xcoding, conferencing, MTP) The motherboard DSP can \
be pooled with the NIM DSPs to increase the DSPfarm scale

Source: https://communities.cisco.com/docs/DOC-7823 (look for the 4000 event on Oct \
16th)

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:17 PM Brian Meade <bmeade90@vt.edu<mailto:bmeade90@vt.edu>> \
wrote: My understanding is any dspfarm resources such as conferencing/transcoding use \
the motherboard resources while the ones on the NIM are just for the voice ports \
themselves.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Jose Colon II \
<jcolon424@gmail.com<mailto:jcolon424@gmail.com>> wrote: If you will be using DSP's \
you will need to decided if you will need them on the motherboard or on the T1 NIM. \
On the motherboard I believe it can only be used for conferencing. You will need them \
on the NIM for transcoding.

On May 12, 2017 6:42 AM, "Ryan Huff" \
<ryanhuff@outlook.com<mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com>> wrote: T1 PRI commands are \
substantially different if that is in play.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Matthew Loraditch \
<MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com>> wrote: \
The vast majority of commands are the same. Netflow stuff is changed completely if \
you use that.  Outside of updating interface names, most of our templates just \
worked.



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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of \
                norm.nicholson@kitchener.ca<mailto:norm.nicholson@kitchener.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 7:31 AM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: [cisco-voip] Migrating a Cisco 2901 to a Cisco 4321


We have a base config we use for building our 2901/11's . Will this work on the 4321 \
or do I have to start from scratch.



Thanks




Norm Nicholson
Telecom Analyst
City of Kitchener
(519) 741-2200 x 7000<tel:(519)%20741-2200>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> \
cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan \
Huff<br> <b>Sent:</b> 12 May 2017 21:21<br>
<b>To:</b> NateCCIE &lt;nateccie@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Cisco VOIP &lt;cisco-voip@puck.nether.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating a Cisco 2901 to a Cisco \
4321<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What I am trying to express, although perhaps worded \
ambiguously, is that all your TDM resources are on the NIM and that I don't believe \
you could share the DSP from the backplane along with the NIM resources, for the \
purposes of TDM.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would agree that you are correct, in that any unallocated DSP \
on a NIM could be configured for other dspfarm tasks (Ex. Transcoding/Transrating, \
Hardware MTP .. etc).<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a \
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s-routers/118792-config-isr-00.html">http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/routers/4000-series-integrated-services-routers/118792-config-isr-00.html</a><br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 12, 2017, at 4:03 PM, NateCCIE &lt;<a \
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do mean by shareable to the backplane? &nbsp;It is my \
understanding that unused DSPs on a NIM can be used for conferencing/transcoding/MTP. \
&nbsp;<br> <br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 12, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Ryan Huff &lt;<a \
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that is where my lack of specificity comes into play; \
the NIM conversation I thought I was participating in was an extension of a convo \
this AM, regarding a T1 PRI, in which those DSP are reserved for TDM only, and not \
shareable  to the backplane or vice a versa.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 12, 2017, at 3:46 PM, NateCCIE &lt;<a \
href="mailto:nateccie@gmail.com">nateccie@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">TDM DSPs on the 4ks have to be on the NIM because there is no \
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dspfarm stuff can use extra dsps on a NIM and the motherboard \
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 12, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Jose Colon II &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jcolon424@gmail.com">jcolon424@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was under the same assumption of why there was a dsp slot on \
the NIM. I know I read a Cisco doc somewhere that lead me that \
direction.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 12, 2017 2:28 PM, &quot;Ryan Huff&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm \
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<p class="MsoNormal">So this is interesting; I was under the impression the backplane \
DSP could not extend to the NIM (and is the fundamental reason, among others, that \
the NIM has its own DSP) .... looks like I have a new lab task :).<o:p></o:p></p> \
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Anthony Holloway &lt;<a href="mailto:avholloway&#43;cisco-voip@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">avholloway&#43;cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rashmi Patel ( <a href="mailto:rashmika.patel@zones.com" \
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not from mother board DSP resources<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Priority: N/A<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dolan Spitler - 12:57 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A: When it comes to IP services (xcoding, conferencing, MTP) The \
motherboard DSP can be pooled with the NIM DSPs to increase the DSPfarm \
scale<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Source:&nbsp;<a \
href="https://communities.cisco.com/docs/DOC-7823" \
target="_blank">https://communities.cisco.com/docs/DOC-7823</a>&nbsp;(look for the \
4000 event on Oct 16th)<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:17 PM Brian Meade &lt;<a \
href="mailto:bmeade90@vt.edu" target="_blank">bmeade90@vt.edu</a>&gt; \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm \
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My understanding is any dspfarm resources such as \
conferencing/transcoding use the motherboard resources while the ones on the NIM are \
just for the voice ports themselves.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Jose Colon II &lt;<a \
href="mailto:jcolon424@gmail.com" target="_blank">jcolon424@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC \
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you will be using DSP's you will need to decided if you will \
need them on the motherboard or on the T1 NIM. On the motherboard I believe it can \
only be used for conferencing. You will need them on the NIM for \
transcoding.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<div>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 12, 2017 6:42 AM, &quot;Ryan Huff&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC \
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T1 PRI commands are substantially different if that is in \
play.<br> <br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 12, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Matthew Loraditch &lt;<a \
href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com" \
target="_blank">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="color:#1F497D">The vast majority of commands are the same. Netflow stuff is \
changed completely if you use that.&nbsp; Outside of updating interface names, most \
of our templates  just worked.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip \
[<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" \
target="_blank">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a \
href="mailto:norm.nicholson@kitchener.ca" \
target="_blank">norm.nicholson@kitchener.ca</a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 12, 2017 \
7:31 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" \
target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] \
Migrating a Cisco 2901 to a Cisco 4321<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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 <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We \
have a base config we use for building our 2901/11's . Will this work on the 4321 or \
do I have to start from scratch. <o:p></o:p></p>
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class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#00B050">City of Kitchener</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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style="color:#00B050"><a href="tel:(519)%20741-2200" target="_blank">(519) 741-2200 x \
7000</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
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