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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] off-net and on-net classification of route patterns and gateways
From: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio () uoguelph ! ca>
Date: 2015-01-27 21:58:44
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Thanks Peter. That one slipped my mind as well. I guess, for all intents and \
purposes, on-net is really when it's an enterprise system, regardless of how it gets \
from side to side.
Would have to consider all of this when marking them on-net vs off-net.
One thing I do recall, when connecting our PBX, is because we didn't have CDRs \
enabled on our PBX, is that we had to plug in the extension of the PBX phone into the \
equivalent external calling mask field, because this was what being marked in the \
CallManager CDRs.
I suspect the on-net vs off-net affects how CDRs are cut as well and what number is \
shown to the called party.
I'm going to test extension to extension dialing tomorrow to see how that plays \
through.
I'm thinking more and more that everything should be marked as on-net, and then the \
off-campus calls are marked off-net when they finally get off.
Lelio
---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph
519-824-4120 Ext 56354
lelio@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Slow" <peter.slow@gmail.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "Cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net)" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:37:24 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] off-net and on-net classification of route patterns and \
gateways
I think it will also affect termination/Continuance of CUCM controlled
conference calls. Users participating in a conference call over a
trunk marked on-net will be able to keep a conference call alive with
the service parameter set accordingly. (There's a confcall knob to
modify when a call shoudl terminate, when the controller leaves or
whathaveyou.)
-Pete
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> This was my understanding as well. This is a strange one for me.
>
> I don't understand why this is happening. Especially the "To Private" part.
>
> I might try switching everything to on-net and see if that helps.
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> lelio@uoguelph.ca
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
> Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Brian Meade" <bmeade90@vt.edu>
> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>
> Cc: "Cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net)" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:20:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] off-net and on-net classification of route
> patterns and gateways
>
>
> Only things I know of it's used for is the different on-net/off-net ringing
> behavior as well as being able to use the service parater od blocking
> offnet-to-offnet transfers.
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just wondering what exactly the call classification of off-net and on-net
> > for route patterns and gateways does? I always thought it had more to do
> > with ring type, i.e. single ring vs double ring.
> >
> > I'm trying out a scenario where I have a test gateway connected to a
> > production gateway using a T1 crossover cable. It's not working out to well.
> > I'm working with the TAC to figure out where things are going wrong, and I'm
> > hoping it's not a bug since I had this working without issue in v7. We've
> > since moved to v9.
> >
> > I had the two connected gateway ports configured as on-net and the route
> > pattern which sent the calls across as off-net, and things would not work.
> > We modified both gateway ports to off-net and things are working, but now
> > the calls show "To Private".
> >
> > Very weird.
> >
> > In my scenario, I want to be able to send calls to extensions, not only
> > PSTN numbers, so I'm thinking I should be marking all route patterns and the
> > gateways as on-net. Then, the calls is marked as off-net when it leaves the
> > phone system and hits the PSTN. I'm still hoping I can mark route patterns
> > as "secondary dialtone" even if marked as on-net.
> >
> > So:
> >
> > phone -> route pattern -> test gateway o/b port -> T1 Xover <- production
> > gateway A i/b port -> production gateway B o/b port -> PSTN
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Note: The reason for this set up is so that I can test ACLs on the test
> > gateway first, before applying to the production gateways.
> >
> > ---
> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> > Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> > University of Guelph
> >
> > 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> > lelio@uoguelph.ca
> > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> > Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
> > Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
> >
> >
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#000000'>Thanks Peter. That one slipped my mind as well. I guess, for all intents and \
purposes, on-net is really when it's an enterprise system, regardless of how it gets \
from side to side.<br><br>Would have to consider all of this when marking them on-net \
vs off-net.<br><br>One thing I do recall, when connecting our PBX, is because we \
didn't have CDRs enabled on our PBX, is that we had to plug in the extension of the \
PBX phone into the equivalent external calling mask field, because this was what \
being marked in the CallManager CDRs.<br><br>I suspect the on-net vs off-net affects \
how CDRs are cut as well and what number is shown to the called party. <br><br>I'm \
going to test extension to extension dialing tomorrow to see how that plays through. \
<br><br>I'm thinking more and more that everything should be marked as on-net, and \
then the off-campus calls are marked off-net when they finally get \
off.<br><br><br><br>Lelio<br><br><br><div><span name="x"></span>---<br>Lelio \
Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>Computing and \
Communications Services (CCS)<br>University of Guelph<br><br>519-824-4120 Ext \
56354<br>lelio@uoguelph.ca<br>www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<br>Room 037, Animal Science and \
Nutrition Building<br>Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr \
id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: \
</b>"Peter Slow" <peter.slow@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" \
<lelio@uoguelph.ca><br><b>Cc: </b>"Cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net)" \
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:37:24 \
PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] off-net and on-net classification of route \
patterns and gateways<br><br>I think it will also affect termination/Continuance of \
CUCM controlled<br>conference calls. Users participating in a conference call over \
a<br>trunk marked on-net will be able to keep a conference call alive with<br>the \
service parameter set accordingly. (There's a confcall knob to<br>modify when a call \
shoudl terminate, when the controller leaves \
or<br>whathaveyou.)<br><br>-Pete<br><br>On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lelio \
Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca> wrote:<br>> This was my understanding as well. \
This is a strange one for me.<br>><br>> I don't understand why this is \
happening. Especially the "To Private" part.<br>><br>> I might try switching \
everything to on-net and see if that helps.<br>><br>> ---<br>> Lelio \
Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>> Computing and \
Communications Services (CCS)<br>> University of Guelph<br>><br>> \
519-824-4120 Ext 56354<br>> lelio@uoguelph.ca<br>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<br>> \
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building<br>> Guelph, Ontario, N1G \
2W1<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: "Brian Meade" \
<bmeade90@vt.edu><br>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" \
<lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>> Cc: "Cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net)" \
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:20:05 \
PM<br>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] off-net and on-net classification of \
route<br>> patterns and gateways<br>><br>><br>> Only things I know of \
it's used for is the different on-net/off-net ringing<br>> behavior as well as \
being able to use the service parater od blocking<br>> offnet-to-offnet \
transfers.<br>><br>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi \
<lelio@uoguelph.ca> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> Just wondering \
what exactly the call classification of off-net and on-net<br>>> for route \
patterns and gateways does? I always thought it had more to do<br>>> with ring \
type, i.e. single ring vs double ring.<br>>><br>>> I'm trying out a \
scenario where I have a test gateway connected to a<br>>> production gateway \
using a T1 crossover cable. It's not working out to well.<br>>> I'm working \
with the TAC to figure out where things are going wrong, and I'm<br>>> hoping \
it's not a bug since I had this working without issue in v7. We've<br>>> since \
moved to v9.<br>>><br>>> I had the two connected gateway ports configured \
as on-net and the route<br>>> pattern which sent the calls across as off-net, \
and things would not work.<br>>> We modified both gateway ports to off-net and \
things are working, but now<br>>> the calls show "To \
Private".<br>>><br>>> Very weird.<br>>><br>>> In my scenario, \
I want to be able to send calls to extensions, not only<br>>> PSTN numbers, so \
I'm thinking I should be marking all route patterns and the<br>>> gateways as \
on-net. Then, the calls is marked as off-net when it leaves the<br>>> phone \
system and hits the PSTN. I'm still hoping I can mark route patterns<br>>> as \
"secondary dialtone" even if marked as on-net.<br>>><br>>> \
So:<br>>><br>>> phone -> route pattern -> test gateway o/b port \
-> T1 Xover <- production<br>>> gateway A i/b port -> production \
gateway B o/b port -> PSTN<br>>><br>>> Any \
thoughts?<br>>><br>>> Note: The reason for this set up is so that I can \
test ACLs on the test<br>>> gateway first, before applying to the production \
gateways.<br>>><br>>> ---<br>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>>> \
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>>> Computing and Communications \
Services (CCS)<br>>> University of Guelph<br>>><br>>> 519-824-4120 \
Ext 56354<br>>> lelio@uoguelph.ca<br>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<br>>> \
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building<br>>> Guelph, Ontario, N1G \
2W1<br>>><br>>><br>>> \
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https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip<br>>><br>><br>><br>><br>> \
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