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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.1 Called Party Transformation
From: "Jason Aarons (AM)" <jason.aarons () dimensiondata ! com>
Date: 2014-05-29 23:06:47
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Thanks!
What you said is how Vik @ ipexpert explained in last year to me in regards to CUCM \
7x.
Wasn't certain if anything changed with 9x/10x. Glad to see it's the same as 7x in \
this regard. So really only a Translation Pattern would go before a Route Pattern. \
No other way to impact called party number/dialled digits from the phone before it \
hits the Route Pattern (just after).
I did see in the SRND that 9x added the ability to effect phone display in called \
party number with a Service Parameter > Apply Transformations On Remote Number \
Required Field http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/collab09/clb09/dialplan.html
Jason Aarons, CCIE No 38564
Consultant
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From: Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) [mailto:rratliff@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:56 AM
To: Jason Aarons (AM)
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list; Matthew Loraditch
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.1 Called Party Transformation
The other thing about transformations is that they are intended to apply to what is \
presented TO the device that they are configured on. You wouldn't apply a transform \
at a phone for digits it sends, you'd apply a transform at the phone for digits it is \
receiving.
Instead of this:
7965 > Called Party Transformation > Route Pattern > Gateway
You need:
7965->Route Pattern->Called/Calling Party Transformation->Gateway.
Think of them as the last-resort method for changing the number format as it will \
appear on the device the transform is configured on (context-specific is the word the \
docs use). If you need to format called party information for all calls a given \
phone makes (regardless of where it goes), use a translation pattern. If you need to \
format a number for all calls going out a specific gateway, use a transform mask, \
likewise if you need to format connected numbers for all calls going to a phone.
-Ryan
On May 29, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Matthew Loraditch \
<MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com>> wrote:
What are you trying to have happen digit wise? I just started having a use for these \
and found out some confusing things about where they apply and how they match.
For example, for a called party transform on a trunk, the matching pattern needs to \
match the digit string that went to the route pattern that ends up at the trunk, not \
how the digit string is when it hits the trunk. In my situation we are transitioning \
from MGCP gateways to CUBEs. For MGCP we strip pre-dot at the Route List level. \
However, in the Cubes we need the pre-dot to stay as we strip on the router. My \
transform on the trunk is 7.@ and then discard digits to none... even though in \
theory the route list has already stripped the 7...
I don't get the programming logic at all, but after bashing my head against a wall I \
found documentation that indicated this and darn if it doesn't work.
Matthew G. Loraditch - CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R&S, CCDA
1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093
direct voice. 443.541.1518
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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Jason \
Aarons (AM)
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:10 AM
To: cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>)
Subject: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.1 Called Party Transformation
I recall you only apply a Called Party Transformation outbound at the Device > \
Gateway in CallManager 7.x
You can't apply a Called Party Transformation directly on the phone (that setting is \
for inbound only at the phone level).
Has this changed in 9.1 or higher? I'm also using Standard Local Route Groups with \
9.1.1
This is my goal, but I don't think it is possible;
7965 > Called Party Transformation > Route Pattern > Gateway
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vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>What you said is how Vik @ ipexpert explained in last year to \
me in regards to CUCM 7x. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Wasn’t certain if anything changed with 9x/10x. \
Glad to see it’s the same as 7x in this regard. So really only a \
Translation Pattern would go before a Route Pattern. No other way to impact \
called party number/dialled digits from the phone before it hits the Route Pattern \
(just after).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>I did see in the SRND that 9x added the ability to effect phone \
display in called party number with a Service Parameter > Apply Transformations On \
Remote Number Required Field<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'><a \
href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/collab09/clb09/dial \
plan.html">http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/collab09/clb09/dialplan.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jason Aarons, CCIE No \
38564<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Dimension Data<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Tel:+1-904-338-3245 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div \
style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p \
class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) [mailto:rratliff@cisco.com] \
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jason Aarons \
(AM)<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list; Matthew Loraditch<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: \
[cisco-voip] CUCM 9.1 Called Party Transformation<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The other thing about \
transformations is that they are intended to apply to what is presented TO the device \
that they are configured on. You wouldn't apply a transform at a phone for \
digits it sends, you'd apply a transform at the phone for digits it is receiving. \
<span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Instead of \
this:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt'>7965 \
> Called Party Transformation > Route Pattern > \
Gateway</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.5pt'>You need:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt'>7965->Route \
Pattern->Called/Calling Party \
Transformation->Gateway.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.5pt'>Think of them as the last-resort method for changing the \
number format as it will appear on the device the transform is configured on \
(context-specific is the word the docs use). If you need to format called \
party information for all calls a given phone makes (regardless of where it goes), \
use a translation pattern. If you need to format a number for all calls going \
out a specific gateway, use a transform mask, likewise if you need to format \
connected numbers for all calls going to a phone. \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Ryan \
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal>On May 29, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Matthew Loraditch <<a \
href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>What are you trying to have happen digit \
wise? I just started having a use for these and found out some confusing things about \
where they apply and how they match.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>For example, for a called party transform on a trunk, the \
matching pattern needs to match the digit string that went to the route pattern that \
ends up at the trunk, not how the digit string is when it hits the trunk. In my \
situation we are transitioning from MGCP gateways to CUBEs. For MGCP we strip \
pre-dot at the Route List level. However, in the Cubes we need the pre-dot to stay as \
we strip on the router. My transform on the trunk is 7.@ and then discard digits to \
none… even though in theory the route list has already stripped the \
7… </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t get the programming logic at all, but after \
bashing my head against a wall I found documentation that indicated this and darn if \
it doesn’t work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='color:#1F497D'>Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R&S, \
CCDA</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span \
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1965 \
Greenspring Drive</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span><span \
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Timonium, MD \
21093</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span><span \
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>direct \
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class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> cisco-voip [<a \
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] \
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Aarons (AM)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:10 \
AM<br><b>To:</b> cisco-voip (<a \
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> \
[cisco-voip] CUCM 9.1 Called Party Transformation<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p \
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I recall you only apply a \
Called Party Transformation outbound at the Device > Gateway in CallManager \
7.x<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You \
can’t apply a Called Party Transformation directly on the phone (that setting \
is for inbound only at the phone level).<o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Has this changed in 9.1 or \
higher? I’m also using Standard Local Route Groups with \
9.1.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is my goal, but I \
don’t think it is possible;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>7965 > Called \
Party Transformation > Route Pattern > Gateway<o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p \
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