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Subject:    Re: [cifs-protocol] [MS-KILE] PAC Validation changes related to CVE-2024-26248 and CVE-2024-29056 - 
From:       Andrew Bartlett via cifs-protocol <cifs-protocol () lists ! samba ! org>
Date:       2024-04-10 2:42:12
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Thanks Jeff, looking forward to hearing from your team.
Andrew,
On Wed, 2024-04-10 at 01:20 +0000, Jeff McCashland (He/him) via cifs-
protocol wrote:
> Sending again, as I received an error that the Samba server rejected
> my message as spam. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your question. We have created SR 2404100040000280 to
> track this issue. One of our engineers will respond soon. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Jeff McCashland (He/him)
> > Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft Protocol Open Specifications
> Team
> 
> Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-
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> 
> Local country phone number found here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/globalenglish |
> Extension 1138300
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> From: Jeff McCashland (He/him) <jeffm@microsoft.com>
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 6:13 PM
> 
> To: Andrew Bartlett <abartlet@samba.org>
> 
> Cc: cifs-protocol mailing list <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org>;
> Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com>
> 
> Subject: [MS-KILE] PAC Validation changes related to CVE-2024-26248
> and CVE-2024-29056 - TrackingID#2404100040000280
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [DocHelp to BCC, support on CC, Updated Subject w/SR ID]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your question. We have created SR 2404100040000280 to
> track this issue. One of our engineers will respond soon. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jeff McCashland (He/him)
> > Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft Protocol Open Specifications
> Team
> 
> Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-
> 08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)
> 
> Local country phone number found here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/globalenglish |
> Extension 1138300
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Andrew Bartlett <abartlet@samba.org>
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 4:52 PM
> 
> To: Interoperability Documentation Help <dochelp@microsoft.com>
> 
> Cc: cifs-protocol mailing list <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org>
> 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Looking for missing documentation (MS-KILE?) for
> CVE-2024-21427, CVE-2024-20674 and PAC signature changes
> 
> 
> 
> Kia Ora Dochelp,
> 
> 
> 
> Recently I saw "KB5037754: How to manage PAC Validation changes
> related
> 
> to CVE-2024-26248 and CVE-2024-29056" was published.
> 
> 
> 
> Can I have a pointer to the new NETLOGON behaviour and the new
> 
> structures for the SamLogon PAC validation, and the new required
> 
> behaviours so a Samba AD DC can handle this?
> 
> 
> 
> I don't see any errata that looks relevant yet.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Bartlett
> 
> --
> 
> 
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<body dir="ltr" style="text-align:left; direction:ltr;"><div>Thanks Jeff, looking \
forward to hearing from your \
team.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew,</div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, 2024-04-10 at \
01:20 +0000, Jeff McCashland (He/him) via cifs-protocol wrote:</div><blockquote \
type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, \
Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: \
11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Sending again, as I received an error that the Samba \
server rejected my message as spam.&nbsp;</div> <div class="elementToProof" \
style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, \
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<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, \
Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, \
0, 0);"> Thank you for your question. We have created SR 2404100040000280 to track \
this issue. One of our engineers will respond soon.&nbsp;</div> <div \
class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, \
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<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; \
color: blue;"> Best regards,</div>
<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; \
color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><b><i>Jeff \
M</i></b></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 32, \
96);"><b><i><sup>c</sup></i></b></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: \
navy;"><b><i>Cashland (He/him) </i>| Senior Escalation Engineer<i>&nbsp;| \
Microsoft</i></b></span><span style="color: navy;"><b>&nbsp;</b></span><span \
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><b>Protocol Open Specifications \
Team</b></span></div> <p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; \
color: blue;">Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: \
(UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)</span></p> <p><span style="font-family: \
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; color: blue;">Local country phone number found \
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data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: \
0px;">http://support.microsoft.com/globalenglish</a></span><span style="font-family: \
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; color: blue;">&nbsp;|  Extension \
1138300</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p>
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rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <b>From:</b>&nbsp;Jeff McCashland (He/him) \
&lt;jeffm@microsoft.com&gt;<br> <b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Tuesday, April 9, 2024 6:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;Andrew Bartlett &lt;abartlet@samba.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;cifs-protocol mailing list &lt;cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org&gt;; \
Microsoft Support &lt;supportmail@microsoft.com&gt;<br> \
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[MS-KILE] PAC Validation changes related to CVE-2024-26248 and \
CVE-2024-29056 - TrackingID#2404100040000280</div> <div style="direction: \
ltr;">&nbsp;</div> <div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, \
Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: \
11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> [DocHelp to BCC, support on CC, Updated Subject w/SR \
ID]</div> <div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, \
Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, \
0, 0);"> <br>
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Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, \
0, 0);"> Hi Andrew,</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, \
Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, \
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Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, \
0, 0);"> Thank you for your question. We have created SR 2404100040000280 to track \
this issue. One of our engineers will respond soon.&nbsp;</div> <div \
style="direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, \
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<p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span \
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Best \
regards,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: \
navy;"><b><br> <i>Jeff M</i></b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; \
font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);"><b><i><sup>c</sup></i></b></span><span \
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><b><i>Cashland \
(He/him) </i>| Senior Escalation Engineer<i>&nbsp;| Microsoft</i></b></span><span \
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;"><b>&nbsp;</b></span><span \
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><b>Protocol \
Open Specifications Team</b></span></p> <p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; \
color: blue;">Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: \
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: \
rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <b>From:</b>&nbsp;Andrew Bartlett &lt;abartlet@samba.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Tuesday, April 9, 2024 4:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;Interoperability Documentation Help &lt;dochelp@microsoft.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;cifs-protocol mailing list &lt;cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[EXTERNAL] Looking for missing documentation (MS-KILE?) for \
CVE-2024-21427, CVE-2024-20674 and PAC signature changes</div> <div style="direction: \
ltr;">&nbsp;</div> <div style="direction: ltr; font-size: 11pt;">Kia Ora Dochelp,<br>
<br>
Recently I saw "KB5037754: How to manage PAC Validation changes related<br>
to CVE-2024-26248 and CVE-2024-29056" was published.<br>
<br>
Can I have a pointer to the new NETLOGON behaviour and the new<br>
structures for the SamLogon PAC validation, and the new required<br>
behaviours so a Samba AD DC can handle this?<br>
<br>
I don't see any errata that looks relevant yet.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Andrew Bartlett<br>
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<pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>cifs-protocol mailing \
list</pre><a href="mailto:cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org"><pre>cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org</pre></a><pre><br></pre><a \
href="https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/cifs-protocol"><pre>https://lists.samba \
.org/mailman/listinfo/cifs-protocol</pre></a><pre><br></pre></blockquote><div><span><pre>-- \
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style="width: 71ch;" data-evo-signature-plain-text-mode="">Samba Team Member (since \
2001) <a href="https://samba.org">https://samba.org</a></div><div style="width: \
71ch;" data-evo-signature-plain-text-mode="">Samba Team Lead &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a \
href="https://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba">https://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba</a></div><div \
style="width: 71ch;" data-evo-signature-plain-text-mode=""><span style="font-size: \
17.333334px;">Catalyst.Net Ltd</span></div><div style="width: 71ch;" \
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17.333334px;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 71ch;" \
data-evo-signature-plain-text-mode="">Proudly developing Samba for Catalyst.Net Ltd - \
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