'Re: [cifs-protocol] [REG: 110121055487273] Requesting clarification'

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Subject:    Re: [cifs-protocol] [REG: 110121055487273] Requesting clarification
From:       "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh () samba ! org>
Date:       2010-12-16 23:51:05
Message-ID: 4D0AA5E9.7060001 () samba ! org
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That makes sense to me.  My only concern is that the value of 45 seconds is
given in [MS-CIFS] as a Windows Behavior Note, and not as part of the
protocol.  By including the value in the main part of the document, as shown
below, and by using the keyword SHOULD, the value of 60 seconds becomes a
protocol recommendation rather than a Windows Behavior.

Chris -)-----

Edgar Olougouna wrote:
> Chris, Jeff,
> 
> In MS-SMB, the Client.SessionTimeoutValue default value should be initialized as \
> follows.  
> 3.2.3   Initialization
> Initialization of the following additional parameters is required beyond that \
> specified in [MS-CIFS]. The following values MUST be initialized at system startup:
> ...
> Client.SessionTimeoutValue is as defined in [MS-CIFS] section 3.2.1.1, and SHOULD \
> be set to 60 seconds. 
> All other values are initialized as specified in [MS-CIFS] section 3.2.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> Edgar
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edgar Olougouna 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:15 AM
> To: 'Christopher R. Hertel'; Jeff Layton
> Cc: pfif@tridgell.net; cifs-protocol@samba.org; MSSolve Case Email
> Subject: RE: [cifs-protocol] [REG: 110121055487273] Requesting clarification of \
> CIFS client timeout behavior 
> Chris, Jeff,
> 
> For the record, I have created a new case 110121055487273 and filed a technical \
> document issue on MS-SMB. The product team is looking into the best way to reflect \
> the Client.SessionTimeoutValue behavior in MS-SMB, if needed. 
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Edgar
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Hertel [mailto:crh@samba.org]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: Jeff Layton
> Cc: Edgar Olougouna; pfif@tridgell.net; cifs-protocol@samba.org; MSSolve Case Email
> Subject: Re: [cifs-protocol] [REG: 110120160951867] Requesting clarification of \
> CIFS client timeout behavior 
> Jeff Layton wrote:
> > 
> > Sounds like a reasonable correction. I will note however that I didn't 
> > actually test Win98 or NT. It's rather difficult to find working media 
> > for them nowadays since they're not available on MSDN (hint, hint).
> > 
> > This capture was done with a win2k8 client. I'll have to take your 
> > word for it that they behave in the same way.
> 
> It is easy, in the docs, to document actual protocol changes between NT and
> W2K+ systems.  Changes to the protocol can and should be documented in [MS-SMB].
> 
> Unfortunately, it is not nearly as easy to document changes to non-protocol Windows \
> Behavior.  All WBNs really need a to be referenced from within the specification. 
> You can't, for instance, talk about the change from 45 to 60 seconds between
> W-NT4 and W2K in [MS-CIFS] because [MS-CIFS] specifically covers NT3.51 and
> NT4 clients/servers, and W98 clients.  You also can't talk about it in [MS-SMB] \
> because there is no actual protocol change. 
> The best I could suggest is to add a line somewhere in section 3 of [MS-SMB] that \
> says: 
> Client.SessionTimeoutValue is as defined in [MS-CIFS], section ??? <WBN>.
> 
> <WBN>: In Windows 2000, Windows 2003, Windows XP, Windows Vista,
> Windows 7, Windows 2008, and Windows 2008 R2 (have I missed
> any?), the default Client.SessionTimeoutValue is 60 seconds.
> 
> ...and then reference both the KB article and the section of [MS-CIFS] that \
> provides the WBN that states that the timeout is 45 seconds. 
> Chris -)-----
> 
> --
> "Implementing CIFS - the Common Internet FileSystem" ISBN: 013047116X
> Samba Team -- http://www.samba.org/     -)-----   Christopher R. Hertel
> jCIFS Team -- http://jcifs.samba.org/   -)-----   ubiqx development, uninq.
> ubiqx Team -- http://www.ubiqx.org/     -)-----   crh@ubiqx.mn.org
> OnLineBook -- http://ubiqx.org/cifs/    -)-----   crh@ubiqx.org
> 

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"Implementing CIFS - the Common Internet FileSystem" ISBN: 013047116X
Samba Team -- http://www.samba.org/     -)-----   Christopher R. Hertel
jCIFS Team -- http://jcifs.samba.org/   -)-----   ubiqx development, uninq.
ubiqx Team -- http://www.ubiqx.org/     -)-----   crh@ubiqx.mn.org
OnLineBook -- http://ubiqx.org/cifs/    -)-----   crh@ubiqx.org
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