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From: Bill Wesse <billwe () microsoft ! com>
Date: 2010-07-16 13:50:28
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Good morning Nadya – Bill Wesse here; Obaid is out of the office, and I will be \
your contact for this case.
Could you send me a network capture of the CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION error you are \
receiving? Thanks in advance; this will help us in making sure we get things right!
Regards,
Bill Wesse
MCSE, MCTS / Senior Escalation Engineer, US-CSS DSC Protocol Team
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From: Bill Wesse
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:48 AM
To: "nivanova@samba.org" <nivanova@samba.org>
Cc: "cifs-protocol@samba.org" <cifs-protocol@samba.org>; "MSSolve Case Email" \
<casemail@microsoft.com>
Subject: [REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the User-Change-Password \
access rights
Hi Nadya:
Thank you for clarification. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an answer.
Regards,
Obaid Farooqi
Sr. Support Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
From: didrash@gmail.com [mailto:didrash@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Nadezhda Ivanova
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:58 AM
To: Obaid Farooqi
Cc: cifs-protocol@samba.org; MSSolve Case Email
Subject: Re: [REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the \
User-Change-Password access rights
Hi Obaid,
I am looking at:
5.1.3.3.4 Checking Control Access Right-Based Access and 2.5.4.1 Access Check \
Algorithm Pseudocode In the access check algorithms, every time an access check is \
failed, insufficient access is returned, I did not see an instance of constraint \
violation. In 5.1.3.3.4, it is mentioned that in this and this case we deny the \
requested access, which leads me to believe insufficient access is returned. If \
constraint violation is the correct response for particular case, I think we \
definitely need some disambiguation on a per Control Access Right basis...
Regards,
Nadya
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Obaid Farooqi \
<obaidf@microsoft.com<mailto:obaidf@microsoft.com>> wrote: Hi Nadya:
Please let me know according to which document you should receive \
INSUFFICIENT_ACCESS_RIGHTS.
Regards,
Obaid Farooqi
Sr. Support Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
From: Obaid Farooqi
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:22 AM
To: 'nivanova@samba.org<mailto:nivanova@samba.org>'
Cc: cifs-protocol@samba.org<mailto:cifs-protocol@samba.org>; MSSolve Case Email
Subject: RE:[REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the \
User-Change-Password access rights
Hi Nadya:
My name is Obaid Farooqi and I'll be helping you with this issue. I'll be in touch as \
soon as I have anything concrete. Please feel free to contact me if you have a \
question/clarification.
Regards,
Obaid Farooqi
Sr. Support Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
From: didrash@gmail.com<mailto:didrash@gmail.com> \
[mailto:didrash@gmail.com<mailto:didrash@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of \
Nadezhda Ivanova
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:31 AM
To: Interoperability Documentation Help; \
cifs-protocol@samba.org<mailto:cifs-protocol@samba.org>
Subject: Need some clarification on the User-Change-Password access rights
Hello,
I am currently working on enforcing the User-Change-Password control access right on \
password change operations in Samba 4, and there are a few things that puzzle me, \
perhaps you could help. I am testing agains a Win2008 server, domain and forest \
functional levels are 2008.
The user object class has the following ACE in the defaultSecurityDescriptor:
(OA;;CR;ab721a53-1e2f-11d0-9819-00aa0040529b;;WD), \
OA;;CR;ab721a53-1e2f-11d0-9819-00aa0040529b;;PS) I created a user and removed these \
two for the purposes of negative testing. However, when I performed a password change \
operation(delete and add of unicodePwd), I got CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION error rather than \
INSUFFICIENT_ACCESS_RIGHTS. I granted the user write property access, but the result \
was the same. Alternatively, a user to whom I explicitly denied WP access was able to \
change their password if they have User-Change-Password. So my question is:
Is the write access to unicodePwd controlled only by User-Change-Password, and WP is \
disregarded in this case? Why is the error returned CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION?
Also, given that by default we this control access right is granted to EVERYONE, this \
means that the actual line of defence is the changer knowing the original password. \
If they know the password, it does not matter which account changes the user's \
password, which makes sense. However, in this case, why bother with checking \
User-Change-Password at all? It appears that its purpose is to allow a user (or any \
account for that matter) to change the password even if they do not have WP access on \
themselves, am I correct?
Best Regards,
Nadya
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morning Nadya – Bill Wesse here; Obaid is out of the office, and I will be your \
contact for this case.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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you send me a network capture of the CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION error you are receiving? \
Thanks in advance; this will help us in making sure we get things \
right!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">MCSE, \
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Wesse <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 16, 2010 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> "nivanova@samba.org" <nivanova@samba.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "cifs-protocol@samba.org" <cifs-protocol@samba.org>; \
"MSSolve Case Email" <casemail@microsoft.com><br> <b>Subject:</b> \
[REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the User-Change-Password access \
rights<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi \
Nadya:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank \
you for clarification. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an \
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Obaid \
Farooqi<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sr. \
Support Escalation Engineer | Microsoft<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> \
didrash@gmail.com [mailto:didrash@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nadezhda Ivanova<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Obaid Farooqi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cifs-protocol@samba.org; MSSolve Case Email<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the \
User-Change-Password access rights<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Obaid,<br> I am looking at:<br>
5.1.3.3.4 Checking Control Access Right-Based Access and 2.5.4.1 Access Check \
Algorithm Pseudocode<br> In the access check algorithms, every time an access check \
is failed, insufficient access is returned, I did not see an instance of constraint \
violation. In 5.1.3.3.4, it is mentioned that in this and this case we deny the \
requested access, which leads me to believe insufficient access is returned. If \
constraint violation is the correct response for particular case, I think we \
definitely need some disambiguation on a per Control Access Right basis...<br> <br>
Regards,<br>
Nadya<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Obaid Farooqi <<a \
href="mailto:obaidf@microsoft.com">obaidf@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> \
<div> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Nadya:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Please let me know according to which document \
you should receive INSUFFICIENT_ACCESS_RIGHTS.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Obaid Farooqi</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sr. Support Escalation Engineer | \
Microsoft</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in \
0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color"> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Obaid \
Farooqi <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> '</span><a href="mailto:nivanova@samba.org" target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">nivanova@samba.org</span></a><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">'<br> <b>Cc:</b> </span><a \
href="mailto:cifs-protocol@samba.org" target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">cifs-protocol@samba.org</span></a><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">; MSSolve Case Email<br> <b>Subject:</b> \
RE:[REG:210063056197932001] Need some clarification on the User-Change-Password \
access rights</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Nadya:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">My name is Obaid Farooqi and I'll be helping \
you with this issue. I'll be in touch as soon as I have anything concrete. Please \
feel free to contact me if you have a question/clarification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Obaid Farooqi</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sr. Support Escalation Engineer | \
Microsoft</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><a \
href="mailto:didrash@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">didrash@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> \
[mailto:</span><a href="mailto:didrash@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">didrash@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">] \
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nadezhda Ivanova<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:31 \
AM<br> <b>To:</b> Interoperability Documentation Help; </span><a \
href="mailto:cifs-protocol@samba.org" target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt">cifs-protocol@samba.org</span></a><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Need some clarification on the \
User-Change-Password access rights</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello,<br> I \
am currently working on enforcing the User-Change-Password control access right on \
password change operations in Samba 4, and there are a few things that puzzle me, \
perhaps you could help. I am testing agains a Win2008 server, domain and forest \
functional levels are 2008.<br>
<br>
The user object class has the following ACE in the defaultSecurityDescriptor:<br>
(OA;;CR;ab721a53-1e2f-11d0-9819-00aa0040529b;;WD), \
OA;;CR;ab721a53-1e2f-11d0-9819-00aa0040529b;;PS)<br> I created a user and removed \
these two for the purposes of negative testing. However, when I performed a password \
change operation(delete and add of unicodePwd), I got CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION error \
rather than INSUFFICIENT_ACCESS_RIGHTS. I granted the user write property access, \
but the result was the same.<br> Alternatively, a user to whom I explicitly denied WP \
access was able to change their password if they have User-Change-Password.<br> So my \
question is:<br> Is the write access to unicodePwd controlled only by \
User-Change-Password, and WP is disregarded in this case?<br> Why is the error \
returned CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION?<br> <br>
Also, given that by default we this control access right is granted to EVERYONE, this \
means that the actual line of defence is the changer knowing the original password. \
If they know the password, it does not matter which account changes the user's \
password, which makes sense. However, in this case, why bother with checking \
User-Change-Password at all? It appears that its purpose is to allow a user (or any \
account for that matter) to change the password even if they do not have WP access on \
themselves, am I correct?<br> <br>
Best Regards,<br>
Nadya<o:p></o:p></p>
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