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Subject:    Re: [Cfrg] Camellia as an Japanese national cipher
From:       Thomas Hardjono <hardjono () MIT ! EDU>
Date:       2012-10-22 14:40:41
Message-ID: 5E393DF26B791A428E5F003BB6C5342A10C212C1 () OC11EXPO24 ! exchange ! mit ! edu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfrg-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Yoav Nir
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:14 AM
> To: Paul Hoffman
> Cc: cfrg@irtf.org; Jon Callas
> Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Camellia as an Japanese national cipher
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> wrote:
> >
> >> If you want to be doing things in Japan, you need to use Camellia.
> >
> > Are you sure of that? I ask because a few years ago, I had a
> discussion with the Camellia authors about some new work, and their
> slides made me question "how much of a national standard is this?"
> Their answer was extremely non-commital, and they never followed up.
> >
> > I ask this not to poke at Camellia or the authors, but to find out 
> > if
> CFRG needs to group Camellia/Japan with GOST/Russia.
>
> [vendor hat on]
>
> My company sells IPsec and TLS VPN products all over the world,
> including Russia, Japan, Korea, and China. The main version of our
> product supports "western" ciphers - AES, 3DES, RC4. The only 
> customers
> who have ever asked for a product that supports their national cipher
> are from Russia. We've never been asked to implement Camelia or SEED.
>
> So our product sells all around the world with just two versions:
> regular and GOST.
>
> Yoav


+1 Agree with statement about needing Camellia for Japan market.

FYI the MIT Kerberos code-base has already implemented Camellia as
of Kerberos5 Release 1.9 (a couple of years ago).
This was a joint effort with NTT Japan.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me offline.

/thomas/



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Thomas Hardjono
MIT Kerberos Consortium
email:  hardjono[at]mit.edu
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