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List:       cassandra-dev
Subject:    Re: Website [WAS Re: Wiki]
From:       Jonathan Ellis <jbellis () gmail ! com>
Date:       2009-04-01 14:50:03
Message-ID: e06563880904010750m71577059v6aec63977aa2443b () mail ! gmail ! com
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Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> I didn't forget :)
>
> Now anybody logged in Confluence can create and edit pages. Have fun!
>
> Matthieu
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Avinash Lakshman <
> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please do. I will catch you on chat if you forget :).
>>
>> Avinash
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com>=
wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > So let's put it this way: anybody fundamentally against using Forrest
>>> for
>>> > the website and opening up Confluence to the whole community (as long=
 as
>>> you
>>> > signup) as the standard wiki?
>>> >
>>>
>>> If nobody yells by Wednesday, I'll go ahead and open up Confluence. Fee=
l
>>> free to remind me if I forget :)
>>>
>>> Matthieu
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Matthieu
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Avinash Lakshman <
>>> > avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I had started putting together something on the Confluence WIKI. Not
>>> sure
>>> >> how it fits together on the big scheme of things.
>>> >> Avinash
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Johan Oskarsson <johan@oskarsson.nu=
>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > We now have a first version of the site running:
>>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra
>>> >> >
>>> >> > However, Matthieu commented on the wiki ticket here:
>>> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-15
>>> >> > that he wants a decision on the site's future before moving on.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The two options as far as I know:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1. Store the site and any source material in svn, publish to the
>>> >> > apache.org site. It could be raw html, forrest xml+generated html,=
 a
>>> >> > script that generates html or something similar.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2. Use a wiki as the site. Confluence?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Personally I prefer option 1, so we can accept website patches fro=
m
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> > and leave the wiki as a publicly editable place for everyone to sh=
are
>>> >> > information.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I don't care if we use Forrest or not for the site, it was just an
>>> easy
>>> >> way
>>> >> > to get started and a lot of Apache projects use it already. If opt=
ion
>>> 1
>>> >> is
>>> >> > chosen we can discuss what tool to use later.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What does everyone think? Should we initiate a vote about it?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > /Johan
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sandeep Tata wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I think the Forrest site is great to start with. If you check it
>>> into
>>> >> >> the repository, others will be able to contribute patches much li=
ke
>>> >> >> code and the burden of building up the website will not fall on j=
ust
>>> >> >> the committers.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> A publicly editable wiki might work too, but if only the committe=
rs
>>> >> >> have edit permissions -- much of the work for building the site
>>> falls
>>> >> >> on them. We want to quickly get to a point where the committers c=
an
>>> >> >> review patches and guide the community in adding value to the cod=
e.
>>> >> >> Not be bogged down in editing websites :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>>> >> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>>> >> >>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> =A0I guess. Isn't that easier? Is there something else that is t=
he
>>> norm?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> =A0No norm, just several different options. I personally like w=
hen
>>> the
>>> >> >>> source
>>> >> >>> used to generate the site can be checked in the repository but
>>> that's
>>> >> >>> mostly
>>> >> >>> a matter of taste. This for example is generated with Forrest:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://ant.apache.org/
>>> >> >>> http://lucene.apache.org/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> This is generated by a set of Ruby scripts from Textile files:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://buildr.apache.org/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> And this is generated from Confluence using custom templates:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://geronimo.apache.org/
>>> >> >>> http://ode.apache.org/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> FWIW, a Forrest site has already been contributed so that could =
be
>>> >> used
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> start with until a sexier option is implemented?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Matthieu
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> =A0Avinash
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>>> >> >>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> =A0On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>>> >> >>>>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> =A0I just got myself added as an "Author" maybe couple of days=
 ago.
>>> I
>>> >> >>>>>> will
>>> >> >>>>>> start working on it. But there are other things too on my pla=
te.
>>> I
>>> >> >>>>>> will
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> get
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> around to it soon
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> =A0So does that mean that you plan to use the wiki as a websi=
te?
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Matthieu
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> =A0Avinash
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Sandeep Tata <
>>> >> sandeep.tata@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>> Prashant, Avinash, Jiansheng...
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Any update on the website?
>>> >> >>>>>>> It has been several weeks since the project got into the
>>> >> incubator,
>>> >> >>>>>>> but we still don't seem to have a website.
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> I think using Johan's Forrest generate site to start with is=
 a
>>> >> good
>>> >> >>>>>>> idea. Are you guys considering anything else? What's holding=
 us
>>> >> up?
>>> >> >>>>>>> Do
>>> >> >>>>>>> you need any help with this?
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Sandeep
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Johan Oskarsson <
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> =A0Ok, I understand.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On the topic of website I have suggested and created a bas=
ic
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Forrest
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> generated site here:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-2
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> =A0Nice!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> =A0No response from any of the committers on the jira or on=
 the
>>> >> lists
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> yet
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> though.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> =A0I believe they weren't subscribed yet :) So what do oth=
er
>>> folks
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> think
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> about
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> the website and using Forrest at least to get started?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Matthieu
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> =A0/Johan
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Johan Oskarsson <
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> =A0Out of curiosity is there a reason to use a wiki witho=
ut
>>> >> public
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> edit
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> access? Apache Hadoop, for example, have had one that is
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> editable
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> by
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> anyone and they have not had any problems afaik. On the
>>> contrary
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> believe a lot of useful updates wouldn't happen with a wiki
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> restricted
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> to committers only.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> =A0I've started this way just because I don't know how t=
he
>>> wiki
>>> >> is
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> going
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> be
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> used by the project yet.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some projects use the Confluence wiki as their website an=
d
>>> even
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> bundle
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> it
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> as
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> part of their distribution. In that context, only committ=
ers
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> should
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> be
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> able
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> to contribute. I don't think it's the case for Hadoop, th=
ey
>>> >> have
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> a
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> separate
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Forrest-generated website.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So depending on how the wiki is going to be used and how =
the
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> Casssandra website will be built, we can decide to have it wo=
rk
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> either
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> way.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> =A0/Johan
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've just created a new Confluence space for Cassandra,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Avinash's
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> planning
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to use it and most projects find it handy anyway. If ot=
her
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> committers
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> want
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit access to it, please send me your Confluence user
>>> name.
>>> >> If
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> don't
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> have one yet, just register there:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>


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