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List:       bugtraq
Subject:    Re: Zonealarm exports sensitive data
From:       Robert Graham <bugtraq () NETWORKICE ! COM>
Date:       2000-02-29 1:24:01
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This is a standard problem throughout the industry: how do you provide a
great user experience without intruding on the user's privacy? We've put a
lot of time and effort traversing this minefield. We've generally erred on
the side of privacy -- we know a lot less about our paying customers than
companies like ZoneAlarm knows about their free customers.

For example, the button that queries our website for help looks like a
hyperlink (underlined/blue). I know this is a minor issue, but we wanted to
make it very clear to customers that clicking on the link takes them to our
website, with all the privacy concerns that entails.

The information included is the minimum necessary to create a good user
experience with the minimum of privacy loss. We do send which port was
probed, but we do NOT send the IP addresses. Let's say that you've
configured your webbrowser to go through a proxy server: we will then have
absolutely zero clue as to who you are or where you came from.

We will know, however, what intrusion you are looking for help on and a
couple of pieces of information about it. Note that we are an intrusion
detection system rather than a firewall, so this is often more than simple
port information. We do generate reports from this in order to figure out
what parts of the product need improving. E.g.:
http://advice.networkice.com/advice/intrusions/common/

Now, in order to create the best experience for our customers we do indeed
want more information than this. The product has built into it the ability
to report to a centralized console. (This is used for centralized mgmt in
corporate environments). We plan someday to make this available for our home
customers when we get the privacy issues worked out.


Robert Graham
CTO/Network ICE


-----Original Message-----
From: Bugtraq List [mailto:BUGTRAQ@securityfocus.com]On Behalf Of Brett
Glass
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:17 PM
To: BUGTRAQ@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Zonealarm exports sensitive data


It should be noted that BlackICE Defender, a competitive product,
does precisely the same thing if one clicks on the "AdvICE" button.
Since the attack information displayed by the program's graphical
interface is quite brief (there's more in the log files, but
only sophisticated users will know how to find and read them),
users are strongly motivated to click the button.

I do not know whether the URLs sent by either product are being
used to gather statistics on the frequency of attacks or as a
means of piracy detection. They certainly could be, if the vendors
had a mind to do so.

--Brett Glass

At 12:40 AM 2/25/2000 , Andrew Daviel wrote:

>ZoneAlarm by zonelabs.com can export possibly sensitive data if
>the "More Info" button is clicked from an alert.
>
>ZoneAlarm is a personal dynamic firewall for Windows 9x/NT.
>When a rule is triggered (typically an inbound connection to
>an unregistered or alarmed service) an alert box appears with a brief
>description of the event and a button labelled "More Info". When this
>is clicked a URL is passed to the user's Web browser sending information
>to Zone Labs' server for more detailed explanation.
>
>Currently (version 2.0.26) the information passed includes:
>Source Address and Port
>Destination Address and Port
>Operating system version
>Firewall version
>Whether the connection was blocked
>The lock status of the firewall
>
>All this information is sent in clear as an HTTP GET request (port 80).
>
>It could possibly be seen on the Internet in transit or in proxy logs, and
>may include information about machines on an internal network inside a
>corporate firewall. The request itself could be blocked by ZoneAlarm, but
>it is likely that the setting for the Web browser would allow it to access
>the external network (Internet).
>
>It is fairly simple to edit the .EXE file to disable this feature, or
>to redirect it to a local server.
>
>(IMO the benefits from using the product outweigh the risks of this data
>leak....)
>
>Andrew Daviel
>Vancouver Webpages etc.

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