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List:       batik-dev
Subject:    Re: Batik SVG in Mozilla
From:       Aaron Leventhal <aaronl () chorus ! net>
Date:       2001-03-15 2:03:58
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Vincent:

Can you see any problem with using Batik SVG in the Mozilla chrome itself?
I'd like to see who you should be talking to here.

Aaron


Vincent Hardy wrote:

> Aaron, Bill,
> 
> Yes, we have indeed experimented and demonstrated integration of 
> Batik in Mozilla, using the pluglet architecture, which lets developers
> write Mozilla plugin in the Java language.
> 
> What we have shown (thanks to the help of the pluglet team) is that 
> you could use Batik to handle the SVG Mime Type in Mozilla and we 
> demonstrated that at an XML conference in Washington last December.
> 
> This is not distributed on the Batik web site because there is a fair
> amount of additional work to be done:
> 
> a. Packaging what we have done (documentation, installation
> instructions).
> b. Finer integration (there are some big things missing, such as 
>    a pop-up menu in the SVG canvas to change the zoom factor, etc...)
> 
> As Bill mentioned, we are finalizing the first version of Batik and 
> part of that effort includes a much improved JSVGCanvas that will
> make integration with Mozilla a lot easier.
> 
> Also, once we get scripting in, the integration work will have to 
> incorporate making the Batik SVG DOM visible to Mozilla so that, for
> example, a script embeded in an HTML page could access/modify an
> SVG document rendered by Batik.
> 
> We (the Batik team) are very short on resources for this integration
> work even though we realize it is quite important. Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Regards.
> Vincent. 
> 
> Bill Haneman wrote:
> 
>> Aaron Leventhal wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I would love to see your Batik SVG project be integrated into Mozilla as
>>> a layout component. Our current SVG project is stalled, the developer
>>> has moved on, and no one wants to take over the code. SVG in Mozilla is
>>> a must!
>>> 
>> Hi Aaron:
>> 
>> This is great, we'd love to assist in any way we can.  I believe that
>> Vincent Hardy (vincent.hardy@eng.sun.com) of the SVG team has already
>> integrated Batik as a Mozilla pluglet, at least as an investigation,
>> and can give you feedback about his experience doing this.  I don't
>> believe that you'll encounter any significant problems, though
>> Batik does require Java2.  JDK 1.3 has a bunch of performance
>> improvements which are quite visible in Batik, so 1.3 is ideal.
>> 
>> I myself have been thinking, not too surprisingly :-), of adding
>> accessibility features to Batik (in addition to what comes
>> directly from using JFC/Swing components), which would make it
>> possibly the first fully accessible graphics display
>> engine/format.  Batik is getting pretty close to fully compliant
>> as a static rendering engine now, and scripting support is
>> on this year's roadmap as is completion of text support with
>> SVG fonts and text-on-a-path.
>> 
>> I don't see why Batik couldn't help with the chrome as well,
>> but bear in mind that it renders into a Java component.
>> It can create a number of different image buffer types, so
>> it's possible that it could be bridged to native image buffers
>> fairly effectively.
>> 
>> Please keep up posted on this front, and feel free to post to
>> batik-users@xml.apache.org or batik-dev@xml.apache.org with
>> questions and suggestions.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -Bill
>> 
>> P.S. - I have CC'd batik-dev and mozilla-accessibility, so anyone who
>> replies may want to be careful about the cross-posts :-)
>> 
>>> That said, we don't want SVG just in the content area. We want to be
>>> able to use SVG in place of .gif's and .png's in our UI chrome. This
>>> would enable us to build a scaleable, high contrast chrome with simple
>>> graphics. We'd be able to script the size and colors of the chrome and
>>> icons through the DOM.
>>> 
>>> - Aaron
>>> 
>> --
>> --------------
>> Bill Haneman
>> Gnome Accessibility / Batik SVG Toolkit
>> Sun Microsystems Ireland
> 


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