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Subject:    Re: [users@httpd] Restart or Reload after changing MaxClients and ServerLimit
From:       "Cohen, Laurence" <lcohen () novetta ! com>
Date:       2016-04-25 20:15:03
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Thank you.  BTW, 2.2 is not outdated.  It just what RedHat supports for
RHEL6.  We can't go to 2.4 until we go to RHEL7.  We on government
contracts are not free to upgrade to the latest and greatest at our whim.
We can only make suggestions, but ultimately the decisions are made by the
people paying our salaries.  We only upgraded to RHEL6 about 8 months ago,
so it will be a while before we go to RHEL7.

Thanks for your help.  I really appreciate it!

Larry

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Rainer Jung <rainer.jung@kippdata.de>
wrote:

> Am 25.04.2016 um 20:00 schrieb Cohen, Laurence:
>
>> Hi, I really appreciate your response.  What I'd like to know is, how do
>> I look up this information on my own?  I use this mailing list generally
>> as a last resort when I can't find the answer myself.  In the case, I
>> did a lot of research before I asked my question, but couldn't get a
>> definitive answer.  If you could point me to the documentation that you
>> are using I'd greatly appreciate it.
>>
>
> Since you are still using the slightly outdated 2.2, the page
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html
>
> is the official documentation. Looking at for instance
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#threadlimit
>
> and
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit
>
> there's at least some sort of info about restarts and how the params
> relate to each other. But maybe not as easy to grok as it should be.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rainer
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Rainer Jung <rainer.jung@kippdata.de
>> <mailto:rainer.jung@kippdata.de>> wrote:
>>
>>     ServerLimit and ThreadLimit configure the size of an internal
>>     structure which maintains data about processes and threads. This
>>     structure is only created during Apache start, so if you want to
>>     change these two params, you need to stop and start.
>>
>>     ThreadsPerChild and MaxClients can be changed and activates with
>>     "apachectl graceful", no need to restart. Only if ThreadsPerChild
>>     needs to get increased higher than ThreadLimit, or
>>     MaxClients/ThreadsPerChild needs to be increased higher than
>>     ServerLimit, you need to adjust these as well and therefore need a
>>     completely new start.
>>
>>     So if you want to reserve some reserve space for ThreadsPerChild or
>>     MaxClients, you should configure ThreadLimit = ThreadsPerChild +
>>     "reserved additional threads" and ServerLimit =
>>     MaxClients/ThreadsPerChild + "reserved additional
>>     clients"/ThreadsPerChild.
>>
>>     HTH,
>>
>>     Rainer
>>
>>     Am 24.04.2016 um 21:28 schrieb Cohen, Laurence:
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         I should have mentioned that I'm running Apache HTTPD 2.2 on a
>>         RHEL6.7
>>         system.  There it is tied to MaxClients which is getting changed
>> at
>>         restart.  I believe, according to this that I need to do a full
>>         stop and
>>         start to get this to work.
>>
>>         Thanks for your help!
>>
>>         Larry
>>
>>         On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Ben RUBSON
>>         <ben.rubson@gmail.com <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit
>>
>>                  Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  21:20, Cohen, Laurence
>>             <lcohen@novetta.com <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>
>>                  <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com
>>             <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>>> a écrit :
>>
>>                  Thank you!  Which doc are you reading?  I'd like to
>>             look at it.
>>
>>                  On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Ben RUBSON
>>             <ben.rubson@gmail.com <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>
>>                  <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com
>>             <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                      Reading the doc, seems that ServerLimit is related to
>>                      MaxRequestWorkers (which has a default set to 256).
>>
>>                      Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>                          Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  20:52, Cohen, Laurence
>>                 <lcohen@novetta.com <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>
>>                          <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com
>>
>>                 <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>>> a écrit :
>>
>>                          Hello,
>>
>>                          While reloading httpd did increase MaxClients
>>                 to 400 as
>>                          specified, it did not increase ServerLimit to
>>                 400 as
>>                          specified.  What is worse is that since
>>                 ServerLimit remained
>>                          at 256, this caused MaxClients to be reduced to
>>                 256 since
>>                          ServerLimit seems to be the hard limit for
>>                 MaxClients.
>>
>>                          Even more frustrating is that when I did a
>>                 service httpd
>>                          restart, it not only did not increase
>>                 ServerLimit to 400, but
>>                          it threw an error that the attempt to increase
>>                 ServerLimit
>>                          during a restart was ignored.
>>
>>                          Any ideas why I cannot increase the ServerLimit?
>>
>>                          Thanks,
>>
>>                          Laurence Cohen
>>
>>                          On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ben RUBSON
>>                          <ben.rubson@gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>
>>                 <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                              Hi,
>>
>>                              reload will do it !
>>
>>                              Ben
>>
>>
>>                                  Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  17:14, Cohen, Laurence
>>                                  <lcohen@novetta.com
>>                     <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>
>>                     <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com
>>                     <mailto:lcohen@novetta.com>>> a écrit :
>>
>>                                  Hi,
>>
>>                                  I need to increase my httpd server's
>>                     MaxClients and
>>                                  ServerLimit.  Can I just do a
>>
>>                                  service httpd reload
>>
>>                                  to load the new settings?
>>
>>                                  Or do I need to do a
>>
>>                                  service httpd restart
>>
>>                                  to load the new settings?
>>
>>                                  This is on a production server with
>>                     active users, so
>>                                  obviously the former is preferable.
>>
>>                                  Thanks,
>>
>>                                  Larry Cohen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you.   BTW, 2.2 is not outdated.   It just what RedHat \
supports for RHEL6.   We can&#39;t go to 2.4 until we go to RHEL7.   We on government \
contracts are not free to upgrade to the latest and greatest at our whim.   We can \
only make suggestions, but ultimately the decisions are made by the people paying our \
salaries.   We only upgraded to RHEL6 about 8 months ago, so it will be a while \
before we go to RHEL7.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your help.   I really \
appreciate it!</div><div><br></div><div>Larry</div></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, \
Rainer Jung <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rainer.jung@kippdata.de" \
target="_blank">rainer.jung@kippdata.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>Am 25.04.2016 um 20:00 schrieb Cohen, Laurence:<br> \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
 Hi, I really appreciate your response.   What I&#39;d like to know is, how do<br>
I look up this information on my own?   I use this mailing list generally<br>
as a last resort when I can&#39;t find the answer myself.   In the case, I<br>
did a lot of research before I asked my question, but couldn&#39;t get a<br>
definitive answer.   If you could point me to the documentation that you<br>
are using I&#39;d greatly appreciate it.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Since you are still using the slightly outdated 2.2, the page<br>
<br>
<a href="https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html" target="_blank" \
rel="noreferrer">https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html</a><br> \
<br> is the official documentation. Looking at for instance<br>
<br>
<a href="https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#threadlimit" \
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#threadlimit</a><br>
 <br>
and<br>
<br>
<a href="https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit" \
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit</a><br>
 <br>
there&#39;s at least some sort of info about restarts and how the params relate to \
each other. But maybe not as easy to grok as it should be.<br> <br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Rainer<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span>
 On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Rainer Jung &lt;<a \
href="mailto:rainer.jung@kippdata.de" \
target="_blank">rainer.jung@kippdata.de</a><br></span><div><div class="h5"> \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:rainer.jung@kippdata.de" \
target="_blank">rainer.jung@kippdata.de</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> <br>
      ServerLimit and ThreadLimit configure the size of an internal<br>
      structure which maintains data about processes and threads. This<br>
      structure is only created during Apache start, so if you want to<br>
      change these two params, you need to stop and start.<br>
<br>
      ThreadsPerChild and MaxClients can be changed and activates with<br>
      &quot;apachectl graceful&quot;, no need to restart. Only if ThreadsPerChild<br>
      needs to get increased higher than ThreadLimit, or<br>
      MaxClients/ThreadsPerChild needs to be increased higher than<br>
      ServerLimit, you need to adjust these as well and therefore need a<br>
      completely new start.<br>
<br>
      So if you want to reserve some reserve space for ThreadsPerChild or<br>
      MaxClients, you should configure ThreadLimit = ThreadsPerChild +<br>
      &quot;reserved additional threads&quot; and ServerLimit =<br>
      MaxClients/ThreadsPerChild + &quot;reserved additional<br>
      clients&quot;/ThreadsPerChild.<br>
<br>
      HTH,<br>
<br>
      Rainer<br>
<br>
      Am 24.04.2016 um 21:28 schrieb Cohen, Laurence:<br>
<br>
            Thanks,<br>
<br>
            I should have mentioned that I&#39;m running Apache HTTPD 2.2 on a<br>
            RHEL6.7<br>
            system.   There it is tied to MaxClients which is getting changed at<br>
            restart.   I believe, according to this that I need to do a full<br>
            stop and<br>
            start to get this to work.<br>
<br>
            Thanks for your help!<br>
<br>
            Larry<br>
<br>
            On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Ben RUBSON<br>
            &lt;<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></div></div><span>  &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a> \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> <br>
            <a href="https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit" \
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/en/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit</a><br>
 <br>
                          Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  21:20, Cohen, Laurence<br>
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
                target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a>&gt;<br></span>
                          &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
                target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a><span><br>
                  &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; a écrit :<br> <br>
                          Thank you!   Which doc are you reading?   I&#39;d like \
to<br>  look at it.<br>
<br>
                          On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Ben RUBSON<br>
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></span>
                          &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a><span><br>
                  &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> <br>
                                Reading the doc, seems that ServerLimit is related \
                to<br>
                                MaxRequestWorkers (which has a default set to \
256).<br> <br>
                                Ben<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
                                      Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  20:52, Cohen, Laurence<br>
                        &lt;<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
                target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a>&gt;<br></span>
                                      &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
                target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
                        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; a écrit :<br> <br>
                                      Hello,<br>
<br>
                                      While reloading httpd did increase \
MaxClients<br>  to 400 as<br>
                                      specified, it did not increase ServerLimit \
to<br>  400 as<br>
                                      specified.   What is worse is that since<br>
                        ServerLimit remained<br>
                                      at 256, this caused MaxClients to be reduced \
to<br>  256 since<br>
                                      ServerLimit seems to be the hard limit for<br>
                        MaxClients.<br>
<br>
                                      Even more frustrating is that when I did a<br>
                        service httpd<br>
                                      restart, it not only did not increase<br>
                        ServerLimit to 400, but<br>
                                      it threw an error that the attempt to \
increase<br>  ServerLimit<br>
                                      during a restart was ignored.<br>
<br>
                                      Any ideas why I cannot increase the \
ServerLimit?<br> <br>
                                      Thanks,<br>
<br>
                                      Laurence Cohen<br>
<br>
                                      On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ben \
                RUBSON<br>
                                      &lt;<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a><br>
                        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></div></div>
                        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a><span><br>
                        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.rubson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ben.rubson@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> <br>
                                            Hi,<br>
<br>
                                            reload will do it !<br>
<br>
                                            Ben<br>
<br>
<br>
                                                  Le 24 avr. 2016 Ã  17:14, Cohen, \
                Laurence<br>
                                                  &lt;<a \
                href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
                target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a><br>
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                              &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:lcohen@novetta.com" \
target="_blank">lcohen@novetta.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; a écrit :<br> <br>
                                                  Hi,<br>
<br>
                                                  I need to increase my httpd \
server&#39;s<br>  MaxClients and<br>
                                                  ServerLimit.   Can I just do a<br>
<br>
                                                  service httpd reload<br>
<br>
                                                  to load the new settings?<br>
<br>
                                                  Or do I need to do a<br>
<br>
                                                  service httpd restart<br>
<br>
                                                  to load the new settings?<br>
<br>
                                                  This is on a production server \
with<br>  active users, so<br>
                                                  obviously the former is \
preferable.<br> <br>
                                                  Thanks,<br>
<br>
                                                  Larry Cohen<br>
<br>
<br>
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