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Subject: Re: Feature Creep (in a nutshell)
From: Milot Shala <milot.shala () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-02-09 12:16:45
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Hi there,
I would like to add something to this topic.
Amarok has great features inside I don't think that they should be removed,
but I suggest that the developers should be more concentrated on stabilizing
the code, fixing bugs and/or refactoring the code rather than adding new
features to it.
I am new to the community but long time Amarok user, from my software
engineering expertise for several years Amarok can be a feature-bloated
software that users will not know what's inside anymore and several of them
will even not bother using it anymore because with more features users will
pay the cost during the usage of Amarok.
Before adding a feature I think it is a good idea to think hard about a
specific feature and making some surveys.
Again, I am new to the community and I don't know how you guys handled this
part until now, but this is my opinion, if I am wrong feel free to correct
me.
Sincerely,
Milot
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Nikolaj Hald Nielsen <
nhnfreespirit@gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally, I agree that here are quite a few features that could be
> removed from Amarok.
>
> BUT, the thing is, my list of features that are "bloat" are likely
> different from everyones elses. So if we removed all that parts of
> Amarok that someone does not use, there likely would be very little
> left at all ;-)
>
> This is not an argument for blindly adding everything that someone
> wants, but since the perfect music player is different for anyone,
> some common ground has to be found.
>
> - Nikolaj
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Nathan Sala <sala.nathan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > In my user opinion, Amarok doesn't currently embed "useless" or "out of
> the
> > pool" features. But I must admit I probably don't know everything.
> >
> > Could you please let us know what are these features you consider to be
> > overweight?
> > It could be interesting to know it for next moves.
> >
> >
> > 2010/2/9 Mark Kretschmann <kretschmann@kde.org>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Nathan Sala <sala.nathan@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Do you mean you would like to delete some features form Amarok? :=)
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. Although, to be really honest: Yes.
> >>
> >> What I find more important though: Watching out that we don't add even
> >> more obscure features to it. Once you have added them, it's difficult
> >> to remove them, due to user outrage (we've had that happen many
> >> times).
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Kretschmann
> >> Amarok Developer, Software Engineer at Collabora Ltd
> >> Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe
> >> http://amarok.kde.org - http://www.fsfe.org - http://collabora.co.uk
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Amarok-devel mailing list
> >> Amarok-devel@kde.org
> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Amarok-devel@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel
> >
> >
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--
Milot Shala, Software Engineer
www.spartansoft.org | m.shala@spartansoft.org
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Hi there,<div><br></div><div>I would like to add something to this \
topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Amarok has great features inside I don't think \
that they should be removed, but I suggest that the developers should be more \
concentrated on stabilizing the code, fixing bugs and/or refactoring the code rather \
than adding new features to it.</div> <div><br></div><div>I am new to the community \
but long time Amarok user, from my software engineering expertise for several years \
Amarok can be a feature-bloated software that users will not know what's inside \
anymore and several of them will even not bother using it anymore because with more \
features users will pay the cost during the usage of Amarok.</div> \
<div><br></div><div>Before adding a feature I think it is a good idea to think hard \
about a specific feature and making some surveys.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, I \
am new to the community and I don't know how you guys handled this part until \
now, but this is my opinion, if I am wrong feel free to correct me.</div> \
<div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Milot</div><div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Nikolaj Hald Nielsen <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nhnfreespirit@gmail.com">nhnfreespirit@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Personally, I agree that here are quite a few features \
that could be<br> removed from Amarok.<br>
<br>
BUT, the thing is, my list of features that are "bloat" are likely<br>
different from everyones elses. So if we removed all that parts of<br>
Amarok that someone does not use, there likely would be very little<br>
left at all ;-)<br>
<br>
This is not an argument for blindly adding everything that someone<br>
wants, but since the perfect music player is different for anyone,<br>
some common ground has to be found.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
- Nikolaj<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Nathan Sala <<a \
href="mailto:sala.nathan@gmail.com">sala.nathan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > In \
my user opinion, Amarok doesn't currently embed "useless" or "out \
of the<br> > pool" features. But I must admit I probably don't know \
everything.<br> ><br>
> Could you please let us know what are these features you consider to be<br>
> overweight?<br>
> It could be interesting to know it for next moves.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2010/2/9 Mark Kretschmann <<a \
href="mailto:kretschmann@kde.org">kretschmann@kde.org</a>><br> >><br>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Nathan Sala <<a \
href="mailto:sala.nathan@gmail.com">sala.nathan@gmail.com</a>><br> >> \
wrote:<br> >> > Do you mean you would like to delete some features form \
Amarok? :=)<br> >><br>
>> Not necessarily. Although, to be really honest: Yes.<br>
>><br>
>> What I find more important though: Watching out that we don't add \
even<br> >> more obscure features to it. Once you have added them, it's \
difficult<br> >> to remove them, due to user outrage (we've had that happen \
many<br> >> times).<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Mark Kretschmann<br>
>> Amarok Developer, Software Engineer at Collabora Ltd<br>
>> Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe<br>
>> <a href="http://amarok.kde.org" target="_blank">http://amarok.kde.org</a> - \
<a href="http://www.fsfe.org" target="_blank">http://www.fsfe.org</a> - <a \
href="http://collabora.co.uk" target="_blank">http://collabora.co.uk</a><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> Amarok-devel mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Amarok-devel@kde.org">Amarok-devel@kde.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel</a><br> ><br>
><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Milot Shala, Software \
Engineer<br><a href="http://www.spartansoft.org">www.spartansoft.org</a> | <a \
href="mailto:m.shala@spartansoft.org">m.shala@spartansoft.org</a><br>
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